Parramatta Light Rail Stage 2 gets the go-ahead

 
  Totoro Locomotive Driver

Looks like the NSW Government has given the green light for Stage 2 of the Parramatta LR. This is really exciting news for Sydney siders, especially those living in the high density communities around Wentworth Point, Olympic Park, etc.

It’s pretty cool to think that a few years from new we will have 5 very modern light rail lines running through Sydney, spanning several 10s of km in total. Not quite Melbourne, but hopefully we will keep up this progress. Smile

https://www.parramattalightrail.nsw.gov.au/node/799

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  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Looks like the NSW Government has given the green light for Stage 2 of the Parramatta LR. This is really exciting news for Sydney siders, especially those living in the high density communities around Wentworth Point, Olympic Park, etc.

It’s pretty cool to think that a few years from new we will have 5 very modern light rail lines running through Sydney, spanning several 10s of km in total. Not quite Melbourne, but hopefully we will keep up this progress. Smile

https://www.parramattalightrail.nsw.gov.au/node/799
Totoro
I agree, good to hear.

I also suspect between this project and Western Metro the Lidcombe to Olympic Park Sydney Trains Shuttles will have a limited future with the likely hood the Tram will take over the corridor as part of Phase 2 or Phase 3.
  GeoffreyHansen Minister for Railways

Location: In a FAM sleeper
It would have been good to have the light rail connect to Epping to provide a cross country service.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
It would have been good to have the light rail connect to Epping to provide a cross country service.
GeoffreyHansen
Yeah agree, it would be nice to see a triangle type service connecting Paramatta, Epping and Olympic Park/Lidcombe.

One day!
  arctic Deputy Commissioner

Location: Zurich
Epping connection is still in Parramatta council plans, or maybe direct to Macquarie Park via Eastwood branching at Dundas.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Sydney gets the chance to build an entirely new system free of the constraints that Melbourne had as a legacy network.
  viaprojects Chief Train Controller


One day!
RTT_Rules

just wasting days ..have a shut down on stage 1 till 28 Aug .. and a big joke for the Stabling and Maintenance facility ..would be still cleaning up the site due to the shut down .. afik the track would be ready but no place to keep / power / fix the trams ...
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE

One day!
just wasting days ..have a shut down on stage 1 till 28 Aug .. and a big joke for the Stabling and Maintenance facility ..would be still cleaning up the site due to the shut down .. afik the track would be ready but no place to keep / power / fix the trams ...
viaprojects
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  viaprojects Chief Train Controller

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RTT_Rules


ok no news on stage two progress .. but covid has delayed construction on PLR .. see the website ..
  Transtopic Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Epping connection is still in Parramatta council plans, or maybe direct to Macquarie Park via Eastwood branching at Dundas.
arctic
LR connection to Epping from Carlingford is now off the agenda and replaced with longer term metro connection.

With the apparent go ahead for further study for the Parramatta Light Rail Stage 2, although that by no means guarantees it will proceed, it effectively rules out the more direct route from Dundas on the Carlingford Line route to Macquarie Park via Eastwood along an existing reserved road corridor, which should have been the preferred option in the first place. I suspect that the government may be stringing out a firm commitment to PLR Stage 2 until beyond the next election, when they can quietly drop it if they are re-elected.

Any future metro link from Parramatta to Macquarie Park should run direct via Eastwood instead of terminating at Epping, which would require interchange to and from Metro Northwest to complete the journey. The major trip generators would be Parramatta and Macquarie Park and it would be logical to have a direct connection between them without the need to interchange.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Epping connection is still in Parramatta council plans, or maybe direct to Macquarie Park via Eastwood branching at Dundas.
LR connection to Epping from Carlingford is now off the agenda and replaced with longer term metro connection.

With the apparent go ahead for further study for the Parramatta Light Rail Stage 2, although that by no means guarantees it will proceed, it effectively rules out the more direct route from Dundas on the Carlingford Line route to Macquarie Park via Eastwood along an existing reserved road corridor, which should have been the preferred option in the first place. I suspect that the government may be stringing out a firm commitment to PLR Stage 2 until beyond the next election, when they can quietly drop it if they are re-elected.

Any future metro link from Parramatta to Macquarie Park should run direct via Eastwood instead of terminating at Epping, which would require interchange to and from Metro Northwest to complete the journey. The major trip generators would be Parramatta and Macquarie Park and it would be logical to have a direct connection between them without the need to interchange.
Transtopic
I think Phase 2 connecting to Olympic Park and Lidcombe Station is a natural project expansion. Agree Epping extension is a dead duck as is extension to Eastwood as road running of trams is a no go anymore.

The Inner NW Metro project, basically following Victoria Road is I'm sure going to be raised from the dead at some point after next election or one after. Top Ryde to Eastwood then across to Dundas and then to Paramatta, not sure there is a need to connect to the former ECRL though, but if it works, then so be it.
  Matthew Chief Train Controller


just wasting days ..have a shut down on stage 1 till 28 Aug .. and a big joke for the Stabling and Maintenance facility ..would be still cleaning up the site due to the shut down .. afik the track would be ready but no place to keep / power / fix the trams ...
viaprojects
The consortium has already leased a warehouse to securely store the arriving trams due to the delays with the depot site toxic waste remediation. The trams are arriving ready or not. The landlord gets a few more months rent.....

Unfortunately, they couldn't just put the first 4 four into service on the IWLR instead of waiting 2-3 more years for their extras as 7 section trams can't run on the IWLR.  (And the Paramatta trams probably won't have the tram-train style wheels needed for the IWLR)
  Transtopic Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
I think Phase 2 connecting to Olympic Park and Lidcombe Station is a natural project expansion. Agree Epping extension is a dead duck as is extension to Eastwood as road running of trams is a no go anymore.

The Inner NW Metro project, basically following Victoria Road is I'm sure going to be raised from the dead at some point after next election or one after. Top Ryde to Eastwood then across to Dundas and then to Paramatta, not sure there is a need to connect to the former ECRL though, but if it works, then so be it.
RTT_Rules
Even if the LR link to SOP goes ahead, it wouldn't necessarily preclude a later Stage 3 branching from the current line, now under construction, at North Parramatta and swinging east towards Kissing Point Rd at Dundas and continuing on the originally proposed alignment to Macquarie Park via Eastwood. The PLR would then have a branch at both ends of the line passing through the CBD core.  The Macquarie Park link would be mostly within an existing wide road reservation and the as yet undeveloped Eastwood County Rd reservation.

I agree that the Inner NW Metro project along the Victoria Rd corridor (former NW Metro) should come back onto the agenda but it should run from Top Ryde to Eastwood then Carlingford, North Rocks and Baulkham Hills which are areas poorly served by the rail network.  If a LR link from Parramatta to Macquarie Park doesn't proceed, then a future metro link could also run via Eastwood which would interchange at Eastwood Station with the existing Northern Line and a possible future Inner NW Metro.  There is ample room within the current station and bus interchange environs to construct a major interchange complex.

The following images are from the original Final Draft of the Preliminary Environmental Assessment for the North West Metro.

https://i.imgur.com/6dSZHfJ.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/QgMbINk.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/J0yFhpS.jpg
  Transtopic Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
plr stage 2 is getting pushed off the table again ..

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/take-a-breath-elliott-won-t-commit-to-parramatta-light-rail-stage-2-20211228-p59kg4.html

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/nsw-government-holds-back-committing-to-next-parramatta-light-stage-20211222-p59jii.html
viaprojects
Since the business case was completed 30 months ago, you would have to question why further investigation is needed to enable a commitment to be made to the project.  One can only assume that the business case doesn't stack up, which doesn't surprise me,  and they are just buying time to delay any decision until after the next State election in March 2023, which will probably be to cancel it.  

IMO, it's more developer driven than for any rational need, when other alternatives such as a rapid bus service connecting with West Ryde Station via Victoria Rd and Rhodes Station via the proposed bridge from Melrose Park to Wentworth Point would suffice.  The Metro West Olympic Park Station is at least another decade away, so what value is there in connecting the light rail to it in the immediate term?  It could also just as easily be connected with a rapid bus service.  There's nothing magical about connecting with the metro, when connecting with the existing Sydney Trains' network does the trick, particularly with the proposed digital upgrades.

Whether or not the proposed PLR Stage 2 proceeds, there is still a need to connect Parramatta with Macquarie Park and the most direct and fastest route is via Eastwood, which was Parramatta City Council's original preferred route.
  apw5910 Chief Commissioner

Location: Location: Location.
Since the business case was completed 30 months ago, you would have to question why further investigation is needed to enable a commitment to be made to the project.  One can only assume that the business case doesn't stack up, which doesn't surprise me,  and they are just buying time to delay any decision until after the next State election in March 2023, which will probably be to cancel it.
Transtopic
They don't worry about things like that in Canberra. The business case(s) for light rail never stood up, but the lines are built anyway.
  viaprojects Chief Train Controller

IMO, it's more developer driven than for any rational need,
Transtopic


+1  the developer is wiling to pay for better transport options than a bus service..
  alleve Station Master

Location: T4 Illawarra Line
I also suspect between this project and Western Metro the Lidcombe to Olympic Park Sydney Trains Shuttles will have a limited future with the likely hood the Tram will take over the corridor as part of Phase 2 or Phase 3.
RTT_Rules
I wonder what will happen to the line after these two (or one, if PLR Phase II gets cancelled) projects are complete. The smart thing would've been to re-use the existing Olympic Park station for the metro given that it's still quite a new station and can definitely handle the crowds, but apparently they're going to build a separate metro station, implying that the existing station will either still be used, or closed.
  viaprojects Chief Train Controller

I also suspect between this project and Western Metro the Lidcombe to Olympic Park Sydney Trains Shuttles will have a limited future with the likely hood the Tram will take over the corridor as part of Phase 2 or Phase 3.
I wonder what will happen to the line after these two (or one, if PLR Phase II gets cancelled) projects are complete. The smart thing would've been to re-use the existing Olympic Park station for the metro given that it's still quite a new station and can definitely handle the crowds, but apparently they're going to build a separate metro station, implying that the existing station will either still be used, or closed.
alleve

hard to say whats happening with long time lines .. as for reusing Olympic Park station too hard - not deep enough for the metro tunnel also would kill rail transport for a long period of time .. ie almost the same the same reason to two other stations ..

Lidcombe will have a few new change due to the metro .. just whats happening take time ..
  Transtopic Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
There's no chance that the current Olympic Park station could be used by Metro West as the former is on a north-south orientation and the latter on an east-west orientation. The current station will still be useful for servicing major events at the Olympic Park precinct with its greater capacity using crush loaded DD trains using its bifurcated platforms from all reaches of the Sydney Trains' network compared with a single metro line.  I'm still not convinced that the PLR Stage 2 will proceed.  The government is trying to string it out until it quietly drops it, just as they have for an extension from Carlingford to Epping.

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