2022-23 Federal Budget

 
  WimbledonW Deputy Commissioner

Location: Sydney
The Daily Telegraph of 2022-03-28 page 07 reports about some of the rail transport items in the coming federal budget.

New over taking lanes (quad) tracks 10km long are proposed between south Tuggerah and Wyong.

Also $1b for rail infrastructure between Sydney and Newcastle.

State of NSW will match federal funding.

SMH of same date reports $78m for Sydney Metro from Glenfield to Western Sydney (Bradfield) Airport.

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  megahertz Station Staff

Location: In the hills
Add $3.1 billion for two intermodal terminals in Melbourne (north and west, Beveridge and Truganina) and funding towards outer Melbourne ring rail to link them to Inland Rail. Some of this covered here, but more discussion was on ABC Melbourne this morning.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/mar/28/coalition-unveils-179bn-pre-election-cash-splash-on-road-and-rail-projects?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Reports now coming out the South Australian infrastructure spending will be........ you guessed it right. More road spending!

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/federal-budget-to-include-200m-for-nightmare-marion-road-bottleneck-fix/news-story/14bd03de6a6fe62f58d550d2b59ae850


A long-awaited fix for one of Adelaide’s worst traffic bottlenecks will be promised in Tuesday night’s federal budget as the Coalition unveils plans to spend more than $450m on new road projects in South Australia.

Almost half of that money will go towards easing congestion through the Marion and Cross roads intersection, eliminating two nightmare tram crossings on the northern border of SA’s most marginal federal electorate – Boothby. With the $200m investment in the federal government’s last budget before an election is called, the Glenelg tram line crossings on the two roads at Plympton will be removed, with both options of a tram or road overpass on the table.
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This despite Paul Fletcher stating the transport investments will try and get people out of their cars and onto other modes of transport.

No money for a passenger rail trial between Mount Barker and Adelaide.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
From what I've read for NSW and Qld, the suburban rail projects are all based on 50 : 50 funding between Feds and state.

So if SA has no rail projects announced by Feds, then the claims that the newly elected ALP govt would make magic happen for SA commuter rail, seems to have fallen where most actually expected.

Personally I didn't expect MB project which has some significant technical hurdles to overcome to just see the light of day, there are other more pressing priorities. However for me the Barossa Valley would prove an easier project to bring to market and more attractive to users than MB.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
From what I've read for NSW and Qld, the suburban rail projects are all based on 50 : 50 funding between Feds and state.
RTT_Rules

Newcastle looks like 50/50.

https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/feds-to-pledge-1-billion-for-faster-rail-from-sydney-to-newcastle
  historian Chief Commissioner

So if SA has no rail projects announced by Feds, then the claims that the newly elected ALP govt would make magic happen for SA commuter rail, seems to have fallen where most actually expected.
RTT_Rules

Really? The new government was sworn in four days ago. Exactly when do you think they would have negotiated a set of rail projects with a hostile Federal government? I doubt the Ministers have even finished reading the blue books yet.

Any South Australian projects would have been negotiated with the outgoing Liberal government, if anyone. Given the Caretaker period in SA, it's quite likely that the Feds have simply unilaterally announced projects.

I mean, there's no expectation that any of the announced projects will actually get built, even if the Liberal government is returned. Why would these projects be any different to the other projects the Feds have announced over the last decade?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia

Any South Australian projects would have been negotiated with the outgoing Liberal government, if anyone. Given the Caretaker period in SA, it's quite likely that the Feds have simply unilaterally announced projects.

I mean, there's no expectation that any of the announced projects will actually get built, even if the Liberal government is returned. Why would these projects be any different to the other projects the Feds have announced over the last decade?
historian

Perhaps the road projects will not proceed with the new government now installed?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

The new SA government made quite a lot of pro-road campaign pledges. I bet the whole lot will go ahead.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
From what I've read for NSW and Qld, the suburban rail projects are all based on 50 : 50 funding between Feds and state.

So if SA has no rail projects announced by Feds, then the claims that the newly elected ALP govt would make magic happen for SA commuter rail, seems to have fallen where most actually expected.

Personally I didn't expect MB project which has some significant technical hurdles to overcome to just see the light of day, there are other more pressing priorities. However for me the Barossa Valley would prove an easier project to bring to market and more attractive to users than MB.
RTT_Rules

Bloody hell, I'm no fan of the Mount Barker project, but I'd give that my vote before signing up for the Barossa Valley. Yeah, the latter would be easier and much cheaper, but patronage would be non existent.
  8502 Assistant Commissioner


Bloody hell, I'm no fan of the Mount Barker project, but I'd give that my vote before signing up for the Barossa Valley. Yeah, the latter would be easier and much cheaper, but patronage would be non existent.
bingley hall
Not coming from rail but a user of public transport i cannot understand the issues surrounding running a passenger service on a main line well maintained by a federal government. That is to Mount Baker.

What ticketing system does Adelaide use and is this easy to extend to station between the last station in Adelaide and the mount baker station?  What are the real costs when you have a driver (from a pool of drivers) and some longer distance diesel or hydrogen based passenger sets.  The way things are viewed in South Australia it is like trying to boil an ocean when you talk rail.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

The issue with Mt Barker is not ticketing - the existing bus service is within the MetroCard system.

The issue is the route to get there by rail weaves around the hills and would take almost twice as long as the express bus service taking the direct freeway route. Socially retarded gunzels might love the idea of lengthening their work day by 80 minutes a day in order to ride around on a train, but the average worker wants to get home quickly so they can spend time with their family.

There are other more realistic options for improving rail in SA which should be pursued instead (such as grade separations, including the dangerous Marion Road crossing of the Glenelg light rail line proposed for removal) and also the option to address the root issue of suburban housing affordability by investing in affordable medium-density public housing closer to where the jobs are.

Mt Barker was already done to death on this forum quite recently, I suggest you read that thread to inform yourself.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
The projects announced by Feds in Qld and NSW, not sure on Vic and elsewhere were mostky aligned with state govt wish lists, Qld at least had published as such not long back.

As the funding is co funding, if they don't go ahead then it's a state problem.

SA ALP had its own wish list which was presented at election and the feds announcement had time for a discussion on what is in big picture not alot of money for feds.

The SA Road projects will no doubt proceed.

Baroosa Valley has what 10 x population and comparable to other outer commuter belts and the states biggest tourist destination. Its absurb to think a rail line would be a ghost town. Technically the lines reconstruction is very straight forward and rolling stock is available today.

MB which I also support has a number of road blocks which are not insurmountable, but a challenge.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

The Barossa is not a commuter belt, and has no desire to become one. Any local politician proposing to extend metro rail service there would run the risk of not even making it to the next election without being disendorsed by the local party branch.

If rail funding was to be approached on the basis of "rail deserves $xxx million, where should we spend it" every year (this is not how funding is allocated in the real world) there would be plenty of other options in SA well ahead of either Mt Barker or the Barossa. If the SA ALP was a genuine pro-rail party (the party's policy on rail is a homeopathically weak positive in the metro area, firmly anti-rail outside the city) they would have had a wish list of projects ready to go in time for the federal budget
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

The Daily Telegraph of 2022-03-28 page 07 reports about some of the rail transport items in the coming federal budget.

New over taking lanes (quad) tracks 10km long are proposed between south Tuggerah and Wyong.

Also $1b for rail infrastructure between Sydney and Newcastle.

State of NSW will match federal funding.

SMH of same date reports $78m for Sydney Metro from Glenfield to Western Sydney (Bradfield) Airport.
WimbledonW

I'm not sure if that is 10km's long or just rebuilding the 2.5km's between Tuggerah and Wyong with Quad track.

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