Mildura passenger service

 
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

1. Have you tried changing at Footscray and catching the next frequent UP to North Melbourne Question
This may get you one train ahead instead of travelling to SCS then connecting to the Mernda train.

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The Vinelander

Mernda's on the Clifton Hill group. Weekday PM Up Footscrays run anti-clockwise round the loop, ie via Southern Cross (SCS) first, not Flagstaff. Weekends it's a mix, some via Flagstaff first and others direct SCS.

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  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
1. Have you tried changing at Footscray and catching the next frequent UP to North Melbourne Question
This may get you one train ahead instead of travelling to SCS then connecting to the Mernda train.

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Mernda's on the Clifton Hill group. Weekday PM Up Footscrays run anti-clockwise round the loop, ie via Southern Cross (SCS) first, not Flagstaff. Weekends it's a mix, some via Flagstaff first and others direct SCS.
kitchgp

My bad... comes from living in the sticks. Embarassed

Mike.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

It might work on weekends, using Flagstaff, Melbourne Central or Parliament. You'd have to consult the timetables. It's only a trip to an upper or lower platform.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW

I don't know why this can't be done. With a state election upcoming this November, this should be an election promise.
Gman_86
I dont know that Labor needs to target the seats in those areas.  It doesnt look like Ali Cupper is going anywhere and none of the other seats will flip Red along that route.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
I don't know why this can't be done. With a state election upcoming this November, this should be an election promise.
I dont know that Labor needs to target the seats in those areas.  It doesnt look like Ali Cupper is going anywhere and none of the other seats will flip Red along that route.
james.au

Well, actually there is.

The seat of Ripon taking in Maryborough, Dunolly and St Arnaud often changes hands and was won by the Libs last state election by 13 votes, so it will be an interesting seat to watch in November.

Mike.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia

I don't know why this can't be done. With a state election upcoming this November, this should be an election promise.I dont know that Labor needs to target the seats in those areas.  It doesnt look like Ali Cupper is going anywhere and none of the other seats will flip Red along that route.
james.au

Understand but should this all be about politics or should the government be focused on services to regional centres including Mildura?

I expect the government to cope some heat over this one in the run up to November.  The pressure is starting:

"The most isolated part of the State should be at the front of the queue for public transport investment, not at the back."

SEE ALI CUPPER MP RAISE THE ISSUE IN PARLIAMENT
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

Who did the study?
Tonkin Consulting from Adelaide.  Basically a well researched document, few factual errors geographically, recommendations sound, but fail to take into account the most obvious option of upgrading Bendigo- Swan Hill to Class-2M track allowing Inter City V/locity sets operating at 160 kmh to Bendigo and 130 kmh beyond to swan Hill slicing 90 minutes off existing travel times and way ahead of what anything operating via Donald on an upgraded track could achieve.  Kills two birds with one stone; Kerang and Swan Hill benefit from faster travel time as well as Mildura.
And who funded the study?
james.au
Funded by Mildura City Council
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
@kuldalai I'm certain the level crossing issue is the reason an N set was suggested in the first place...
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
@kuldalai I'm certain the level crossing issue is the reason an N set was suggested in the first place...
railblogger
80 kmh all the way to Mildura via Ararat and Geelong... how long would that take, 18 hours?
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
Hence the suggestion of change of train at Maryborough.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Hence the suggestion of change of train at Maryborough.
Donald

Maryborough already has a stabling area and space for it to be upgraded.
  YM-Mundrabilla The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
For the widest best result for the economy, exports, environment etc one wonders if we may well be better off overall without a rail passenger service to Mildura on the current infrastructure as passengers would, no doubt, be allocated paths a mile wide to the detriment of all else (grain for example).Twisted Evil
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Released again, maybe for the last time??
For the widest best result for the economy, exports, environment etc one wonders if we may well be better off overall without a rail passenger service to Mildura on the current infrastructure as passengers would, no doubt, be allocated paths a mile wide to the detriment of all else (grain for example).Twisted Evil
YM-Mundrabilla
Sure......

they could never find paths  between the current TWO per day. And that is 1 up, 1 down.

And for the nay sayers, the current freight schedule between Maryborough and Mildura is 8 hrs, which includes 35 mins wayside stops.
Increase the 80kph freight to the rated 100kph for passenger(Donald sand waves excluded), and it's getting into the realm of possible.

cheers
John
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
Hence the suggestion of change of train at Maryborough.
Donald
Much better idea but you're still faced with a 80 kmh limit Maryborough-Mildura. Paths are a problem too as others have already discussed - but if they wanted to trial it then why not use some of the N-sets cast off from the Albury line?
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland

I don't know why this can't be done. With a state election upcoming this November, this should be an election promise.I dont know that Labor needs to target the seats in those areas.  It doesnt look like Ali Cupper is going anywhere and none of the other seats will flip Red along that route.
Understand but should this all be about politics or should the government be focused on services to regional centres including Mildura?

I expect the government to cope some heat over this one in the run up to November.  The pressure is starting:

"The most isolated part of the State should be at the front of the queue for public transport investment, not at the back."

SEE ALI CUPPER MP RAISE THE ISSUE IN PARLIAMENT
bevans
Regional rail passenger services are always about politics.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
Nothwithstanding the Minister for Public Transport's advice above for an urban bus service review for Mildura and I personally note that as Mildura's population inches ever closer to 100,000:

https://www.population.net.au/mildura-population/

The Member for Mildura in the House yesterday strongly advocating once more for return of a regular passenger train service after 29 years.



https://youtu.be/Ru3j9X8L8rg

Mike.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Just awful this service has not been re-instated.
  RustyRick Chief Commissioner

Location: South West Vic
Hence the suggestion of change of train at Maryborough.
Much better idea but you're still faced with a 80 kmh limit Maryborough-Mildura. Paths are a problem too as others have already discussed - but if they wanted to trial it then why not use some of the N-sets cast off from the Albury line?
don_dunstan
I'm not knocking your idea, but it's a sure way to kill the service forever. Put on a half-arsed service with obsolete gear, run it at 80km/h because of "track condition" and stand back. Oh, and an inconvenient departure time because of pathing.

When nobody uses it because it takes a week and a gauge change at Maryborough, shrug and say, "Well, we did it but the public didn't support it".

Or maybe I'm just getting cynical in my old age.
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Released again, maybe for the last time??
Hence the suggestion of change of train at Maryborough.
Much better idea but you're still faced with a 80 kmh limit Maryborough-Mildura. Paths are a problem too as others have already discussed - but if they wanted to trial it then why not use some of the N-sets cast off from the Albury line?
I'm not knocking your idea, but it's a sure way to kill the service forever. Put on a half-arsed service with obsolete gear, run it at 80km/h because of "track condition" and stand back. Oh, and an inconvenient departure time because of pathing.

When nobody uses it because it takes a week and a gauge change at Maryborough, shrug and say, "Well, we did it but the public didn't support it".

Or maybe I'm just getting cynical in my old age.
RustyRick
Yer well, @don keeps ignoring my statements that the line should be OK for 100kph passenger. It is class 3, same as Swan Hill.

N class , even for their age, aren't that horrible.  On top of a decent track that is.

Of course a lot of prep work to ensure that even a tired N class can safely do the run at speed.
A lot of signal and LX protection to check and maybe reprogram, before we even contemplate the stations.

Pathing ! humbug. There is SFA traffic atm.

I wouldn't say its old age that makes us cynical,  just reality it probably won't happen.

cheers
John
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
An interesting and possibly workable approach to Mildura Passenger Services.

READIT
  Carnot Minister for Railways

An interesting and possibly workable approach to Mildura Passenger Services.

READIT
bevans
Multiply all costs by 3.  That's just reality atm.
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Released again, maybe for the last time??
An interesting and possibly workable approach to Mildura Passenger Services.READIT
bevans
link fixed
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Banned
Don't ever tell a Frenchman that (a) there's no train to Mildura and (b) if there was, it would take more than 8 hours for the journey. He would have an instant attack of the conniptions, because he would expect a train to take him that distance in 2 to 3 hours - exactly like home!
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Start with an n set between Maryborough and Mildura and then add a second set they are becoming available.
  Lockspike Chief Commissioner

Yer well, @don keeps ignoring my statements that the line should be OK for 100kph passenger. It is class 3, same as Swan Hill.

N class , even for their age, aren't that horrible.  On top of a decent track that is.

Of course a lot of prep work to ensure that even a tired N class can safely do the run at speed.
A lot of signal and LX protection to check and maybe reprogram, before we even contemplate the stations.

Pathing ! humbug. There is SFA traffic atm.

I wouldn't say its old age that makes us cynical,  just reality it probably won't happen.

cheers
John
justarider
True, one does not need big rail, concretes and deep ballast to run a loco hauled pass. at conventional express passenger train speeds, but you do need to maintain a good top and line, and that is something that V/Line is on record by their actions as being unwilling and/or unable to do.
Note: Heavy CWR on steel or concrete sleepers in deep clean ballast is a simple (read as cheaper) track to maintain a good top and line.

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