Melbourne's Tram fleet - new G Class order

 
Topic moved from Melbourne suburban by bevans on 21 Apr 2022 13:51
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
An unwired depot is OK until you have a tram with uncharged battery!  Presumably the depot will be used for commissioning of the trams.
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If the depot has a roof above where the trams are stored, then have wires under that roof.

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  Dissonance Station Master

The trams will be twice as spacious as current models to encourage social distancing and provide space for wheelchairs and mobility aids, and significantly quieter
Public Transport Minister Ben Carroll


Is this the new spin for “less seats”?
  gunzel42 Junior Train Controller

They've sold overhead-free trams to Brockway, Ogdenville, and North Haverbrook, and, by gum, it put them on the map!  Wire-free over...DOH!!!
  electric Chief Train Controller

Location: Ist mir egal
It feels like this is a conservative approach - avoid improving the network infrastructure, just buy something which fits the existing pattern - is this because so much effort is going to have to go toward converting all the stops to platforms & rationalizing them?

Anyone know why we couldn't have just bought more E classes for the 48/109/75 - are there limitations on the infrastructure preventing them from running?
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
I think patronage is a factor - the E's went to the busiest routes (though I'm surprised they weren't chosen to replace the B's).
  Halo Chief Train Controller

I would say because of the Alstom take over not wanting to make any more E class units, I don't blame them really!
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Released again, maybe for the last time??

Anyone know why we couldn't have just bought more E classes for the 48/109/75 - are there limitations on the infrastructure preventing them from running?
electric
Since the merger of Bombardier and Alstrom, some rationalising of their product offering.

No surprise the newer product is the one they prefer to build.

cheers
John

bugger Halo beat me to it.
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
Anyone know why we couldn't have just bought more E classes for the 48/109/75 - are there limitations on the infrastructure preventing them from running?
electric
The 70 and 75 were supposed to get Citadis trams twenty years ago but they were banned from Camberwell Depot when one bottomed out at Riversdale tram square while on test to Wattle Park (no issues with them on the 75 though). Riversdale Rd is on a somewhat steep hill whereas the train tracks are obviously dead straight. Instead of slightly reducing the vertical curve for the trams the entire fleet were blacklisted.

I wouldn't be surprised if Yarra Trams had originally planned to order a lot more than 36 trams, but once they had "inherited" the M>Tram network there wasn't a hope of buying anything - the D class order hadn't finished when National Express walked out (case in point, only one single D2 was in service in the M>Tram livery, the rest entered service completely naked until Yarra Trams put its own livery on them, while most of the Z classes, including the entire Z1/Z2 fleet, were still in Met green and yellow). On top of that, the M>Tram side was still very much stuck in the 1970s, with next to no modern infrastructure, whereas Yarra Trams had been plonking down platform stops with talking "beg buttons" left, right and centre, presumably in anticipation for more C class trams.
  Yappo Train Controller

Nice little vid on the evolution of Melb trams



https://youtu.be/_iIgl4IgTeo
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

The cable tram is going the wrong way.
C-class don't have wheels in the centre module.
The scale is a bit out, eg a Z-class is longer than an A-class.

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