Ad Met goings on -

 
  62430 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Metro Adelaide
Meanwhile - Trial approved for hills train service. Not sure what this even means given the money hasn't been allocated anyway.
don_dunstan
The link is broken.  The URL does not include a website.

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  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
Meanwhile - Trial approved for hills train service. Not sure what this even means given the money hasn't been allocated anyway.
The link is broken.  The URL does not include a website.
62430
Okay thanks - I can't find it again sorry, I'll have another look later when I have time. It was on the ABC Local website anyway -
  62430 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Metro Adelaide
Meanwhile - Trial approved for hills train service. Not sure what this even means given the money hasn't been allocated anyway.
The link is broken.  The URL does not include a website.
Okay thanks - I can't find it again sorry, I'll have another look later when I have time. It was on the ABC Local website anyway -
don_dunstan
There is a post in the Adelaide Hills thread.
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
Meanwhile - Trial approved for hills train service. Not sure what this even means given the money hasn't been allocated anyway.
The link is broken.  The URL does not include a website.
Okay thanks - I can't find it again sorry, I'll have another look later when I have time. It was on the ABC Local website anyway -
There is a post in the Adelaide Hills thread.
62430
Okay, thanks. The news isn't that exciting anyway - as Bingley Hall said its not even over state government owned tracks so I'm not sure how they can sign off on it. And no money has been allocated so I'd say nothing will happen any time soon...
  normangerman Junior Train Controller

Meanwhile - Trial approved for hills train service. Not sure what this even means given the money hasn't been allocated anyway.
The link is broken.  The URL does not include a website.
Okay thanks - I can't find it again sorry, I'll have another look later when I have time. It was on the ABC Local website anyway -
There is a post in the Adelaide Hills thread.
Okay, thanks. The news isn't that exciting anyway - as Bingley Hall said its not even over state government owned tracks so I'm not sure how they can sign off on it. And no money has been allocated so I'd say nothing will happen any time soon...
don_dunstan
I'm pretty sure Talgo advised that they would cover the costs for the trial, or at least the EU would give a grant to pay for it in hope of securing a contract.
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
I'm pretty sure Talgo advised that they would cover the costs for the trial, or at least the EU would give a grant to pay for it in hope of securing a contract.
normangerman
There's going to be a LOT of costs and questions involved, not the least of which is
  • The rehabilitation and standardisation of the track from Mt Barker Junction to Mt Barker;
  • Where to terminate the train? At the moment it would have to be Adelaide Parklands which is a long way from the city;
  • Lack of platform facings at suitable intermediate destinations like Blackwood etc
Also we have spare DMU capacity coming up with the Gawler order for more electric trains, it would be way cheaper if we wanted to initiate a passenger service to Mt Barker to just convert spare 3000 units to standard gauge. But I can't imagine this thing going ahead in all seriousness, I just don't think anyone in government is that serious about supporting it.
  STT Locomotive Driver

I'm pretty sure Talgo advised that they would cover the costs for the trial, or at least the EU would give a grant to pay for it in hope of securing a contract.
There's going to be a LOT of costs and questions involved, not the least of which is
  • The rehabilitation and standardisation of the track from Mt Barker Junction to Mt Barker;
  • Where to terminate the train? At the moment it would have to be Adelaide Parklands which is a long way from the city;
  • Lack of platform facings at suitable intermediate destinations like Blackwood etc
Also we have spare DMU capacity coming up with the Gawler order for more electric trains, it would be way cheaper if we wanted to initiate a passenger service to Mt Barker to just convert spare 3000 units to standard gauge. But I can't imagine this thing going ahead in all seriousness, I just don't think anyone in government is that serious about supporting it.
don_dunstan

Would it be easier to duel gauge the track from Belair to Mt Barker Junction? Perhaps even have passive separation and just run duel gauge through the tunnels.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

No.

Swapping bogies is always easier than rebuilding infrastructure.
  Yappo Train Controller

I've been mentioning the fact that the South rd tunnel project increased from $8.9B in Nov 2020 to $9.9B by July 2021 after the scope of the project was expanded to include an extra lane (from 2 to 3) in each tunnel and larger interchanges were designed involving extra property purchases. The Feds have allocated $2.26B.

And as I've highlighted on other threads, the South rd tunnels already increased in cost by $1B ia few months later and we expect that bill to finally be around the $11B-$12B range! What would $1B-$2B from that project provide for PT in Adelaide?
Yappo
It has been obvious to all that project will end costing much more when completed.  Thankfully, the govt deferred a start on the project for a year while undertaking a review.

Now it is being suggested that the South road tunnels project will end up costing $14B! Thus, a project that the previous Lib govt first stated was costed at $8.9B in late 2020 is now suggested to cost upwards of a potential $14B! That's some bad costing process even accounting for recent, inflated material costs.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-24/sa-government-not-surprised-by-corridor-project-cost-blowout/101179768
The minister said reports that a cost-benefit analysis returning a ratio of less than one – meaning the costs outweigh the benefits of going ahead — was news to him. Department for Infrastructure and Transport chief executive Jon Whelan said he did not have a specific figure on the project cost or an updated cost benefit ratio at this stage.
ABC
The govt should revert to the original 2 lane plan or even seek a cheaper option such as the elevated option. It was previously costed that the elevated option would be around the $6B-$7B range. If we are in such a budget crisis then this appears to be only option. Again, questions have to be asked as to why this project has been expanded in scope with potentially such an ergregious blow out in cost which would be on a Westconnex scale.

Some of the saved money could then be allocated for PT projects. Such as the future Aldinga ext or building new tram extensions or electrifying OH or increasing service frequency or funding a daily Overland service or building a new branch line to Virginia. In fact, all of this could be done for the blow out amount suggested for this project!

It also doesn't bode well for the expected $2B-$3B that will be needed to upgrade & expand the SE Freeway in coming years. Once the whole North-South Corridor is completed some $25B in total would've been spent. Yet, somehow some assert that the state doesn't have money to improve and expand PT........

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