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  Lockspike Chief Commissioner

The video posted in the 'Mildura' thread of Ali Cupper making a speech in parliament struck me as being absurd.
When parliament is sitting why is it not compulsory for the members to actually be present in the chamber?

Ali is shown making a speech on the behalf of her constituents to just a few members who seemed as though they would rather be anywhere else (told to remain, on punishment?).


Granted there is Hansard and the video to record what transpired in case she started making waves for the government, but what was everyone else doing; was there a party on?

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  YM-Mundrabilla The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
In a word NO!

Jacinta Allan was away being fitted for a new train proof jacket and accompanying crash hat.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

The video posted in the 'Mildura' thread of Ali Cupper making a speech in parliament struck me as being absurd.
When parliament is sitting why is it not compulsory for the members to actually be present in the chamber?

Ali is shown making a speech on the behalf of her constituents to just a few members who seemed as though they would rather be anywhere else (told to remain, on punishment?).
Lockspike
If she was just making a Member's Statement rather than debating important legislation, there's no need for the whole parliament to be there. Many of them could be more productively engaged by participating in other parliamentary business such as Committee work, meeting with delegations, attending to Ministerial matters, working on legislation drafting etc

Granted there is Hansard and the video to record what transpired in case she started making waves for the government, …
Lockspike
If a Member's Statement starts making waves, one of the other MPs there will rise to 'draw attention to the state of the house' upon which the Member speaking would resume their seat and the Speaker would call on them to resume once a quorum is present.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
The video posted in the 'Mildura' thread of Ali Cupper making a speech in parliament struck me as being absurd.
When parliament is sitting why is it not compulsory for the members to actually be present in the chamber?

Ali is shown making a speech on the behalf of her constituents to just a few members who seemed as though they would rather be anywhere else (told to remain, on punishment?).
If she was just making a Member's Statement rather than debating important legislation, there's no need for the whole parliament to be there. Many of them could be more productively engaged by participating in other parliamentary business such as Committee work, meeting with delegations, attending to Ministerial matters, working on legislation drafting etc

Granted there is Hansard and the video to record what transpired in case she started making waves for the government, …
If a Member's Statement starts making waves, one of the other MPs there will rise to 'draw attention to the state of the house' upon which the Member speaking would resume their seat and the Speaker would call on them to resume once a quorum is present.
justapassenger

If you are referring to the three empty chairs in the footage, the reason is the section of the House Ali belongs to is where the Independents sit, known as the cross benches.

If you have footage of an almost empty chamber during her train speech would you care to post it Question

Mike.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

I have no idea if the whole chamber was empty, and didn't say so either.

If you care to read what I actually wrote instead of projecting, you will see that I said "there is no need for the whole parliament to be there."

Even during major debates there will always be a good number of Members attending to other duties if they are not required to speak on the matter. That's why the building has clocks all around the place with bells to summon Members to the floor for a vote.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
A festering sore now and needs to be resolved.

Quite disrespectful that Ali was not listened to more widely.
  Lockspike Chief Commissioner


If you are referring to the three empty chairs in the footage, the reason is the section of the House Ali belongs to is where the Independents sit, known as the cross benches.

If you have footage of an almost empty chamber during her train speech would you care to post it Question

Mike.
The Vinelander
Mike, I don't have video to post, however, if you note the first 4 seconds of Ali's speech (until the camera zooms in on her), you will note the empty seats.
  Lockspike Chief Commissioner

I have no idea if the whole chamber was empty, and didn't say so either.

If you care to read what I actually wrote instead of projecting, you will see that I said "there is no need for the whole parliament to be there."

Even during major debates there will always be a good number of Members attending to other duties if they are not required to speak on the matter. That's why the building has clocks all around the place with bells to summon Members to the floor for a vote.
justapassenger
So the 'inattention to duty' is institutionalised?

I guess if a member spurned 'other duties' in favour being in the house, one would receive a visit from 'The Whip', with some friendly advice to not rock the boat. After all, one doesn't need to be present, the whip will tell you how to vote.

Imagine if the judge gave the jury other civic duties instead of listening to the case as it proceeds ... .
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Released again, maybe for the last time??

If you are referring to the three empty chairs in the footage, the reason is the section of the House Ali belongs to is where the Independents sit, known as the cross benches.

If you have footage of an almost empty chamber during her train speech would you care to post it Question

Mike.
The Vinelander
Mike, I don't have video to post, however, if you note the first 4 seconds of Ali's speech (until the camera zooms in on her), you will note the empty seats.
Lockspike
7 govt and 4 opposition members present. It's on the tape you posted Mike.

Not a great display of respect.
  8502 Assistant Commissioner

Why is Daniel Andrews so against the people of Mildura?  

A large portion of the state in the NW does not have decent transport why is this the case and why is a train to Mildura and all points in between so hard?
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

I have no idea if the whole chamber was empty, and didn't say so either.

If you care to read what I actually wrote instead of projecting, you will see that I said "there is no need for the whole parliament to be there."

Even during major debates there will always be a good number of Members attending to other duties if they are not required to speak on the matter. That's why the building has clocks all around the place with bells to summon Members to the floor for a vote.
So the 'inattention to duty' is institutionalised?

I guess if a member spurned 'other duties' in favour being in the house, one would receive a visit from 'The Whip', with some friendly advice to not rock the boat. After all, one doesn't need to be present, the whip will tell you how to vote.

Imagine if the judge gave the jury other civic duties instead of listening to the case as it proceeds ... .
Lockspike
The other parts of the job matter as well as sitting in the chamber.

If she said anything noteworthy, one of the government or opposition members present would have called for a quorum so her statement could be given more attention.
  BaysideManny Chief Train Controller


If you are referring to the three empty chairs in the footage, the reason is the section of the House Ali belongs to is where the Independents sit, known as the cross benches.

If you have footage of an almost empty chamber during her train speech would you care to post it Question

Mike.Mike, I don't have video to post, however, if you note the first 4 seconds of Ali's speech (until the camera zooms in on her), you will note the empty seats.
7 govt and 4 opposition members present. It's on the tape you posted Mike.

Not a great display of respect.
justarider
What happened to Ali Cupper is really not that unusual. I suspect that many a debate will have a low number of sitting members attending.


Mannie
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Released again, maybe for the last time??
Why is Daniel Andrews so against the people of Mildura?  

A large portion of the state in the NW does not have decent transport why is this the case and why is a train to Mildura and all points in between so hard?
8502
You do realise that he is Premier of the whole state?

Mildura is one electorate of 88. Representing about 1% of the states electors.
They get more than that attention and fair enough. The hospital is a much bigger issue & won.

A train is not HARD. Some proof that there is a demand to use it is stiil lacking.
If Ms Cupper can get some funding for a real study, and commitment to read same, would be a huge win.

I'm ambivelent that the govt will promise anything more in the lead to the election.
Any nice ALP promises may well split the vote away from Ms Cupper and hand victory to LNP ala Stephen Bradbury.

cheers
John
  emmastreet Chief Train Controller

Location: Goulburn Valley
Why is Daniel Andrews so against the people of Mildura?  

A large portion of the state in the NW does not have decent transport why is this the case and why is a train to Mildura and all points in between so hard?
8502
"Decent transport". Do you think a train service operated by V/line is the answer?
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Why is Daniel Andrews so against the people of Mildura?  

A large portion of the state in the NW does not have decent transport why is this the case and why is a train to Mildura and all points in between so hard?
"Decent transport". Do you think a train service operated by V/line is the answer?
emmastreet

V/Line and the State of Victoria provide the best and most extensive regional passenger services in Australia.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville

If you are referring to the three empty chairs in the footage, the reason is the section of the House Ali belongs to is where the Independents sit, known as the cross benches.

If you have footage of an almost empty chamber during her train speech would you care to post it Question

Mike.Mike, I don't have video to post, however, if you note the first 4 seconds of Ali's speech (until the camera zooms in on her), you will note the empty seats.7 govt and 4 opposition members present. It's on the tape you posted Mike.

Not a great display of respect.What happened to Ali Cupper is really not that unusual. I suspect that many a debate will have a low number of sitting members attending.


Mannie
BaysideManny

Yes, Mannie seems to be the only person with a grip on reality in this thread. There's a lot of bollocks being spoken.

Similar scenes would be repeated frequently in all state parliaments in Oz as well as the federal parliament.

I saw an image from the British House of Commons taken in just the last week or two where it looked like there were no more than a dozen MPs in attendance - out of 650. Their argument would be that there are only 427 physical seats in the House, so they'd be worrying about turning up and having nowhere to sit Razz
  emmastreet Chief Train Controller

Location: Goulburn Valley
Why is Daniel Andrews so against the people of Mildura?  

A large portion of the state in the NW does not have decent transport why is this the case and why is a train to Mildura and all points in between so hard?
"Decent transport". Do you think a train service operated by V/line is the answer?

V/Line and the State of Victoria provide the best and most extensive regional passenger services in Australia.
bingley hall
Maybe so but I think most people on this thread and RP in general are looking for a train service not a replacement bus.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
How do you come up with best because it is larger ?

By international standards it is very poorly run.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
How do you come up with best because it is larger ?

By international standards it is very poorly run.
freightgate

I clearly said "Australia"

and for @ emmastreet

My mistake. I should have said "regional rail passenger services"

You can tell us which state serves more communities and does a better job.

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