Cross River Rail tunnel crosses under Brisbane River

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 01 Jun 2021 22:22
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

Interesting this didnt generate a major splash.  If in the Victorian forums there'd be 100+ comments on this thread already!
james.au

It's acually a good example of Queensland's geographic diversity. Most active Queensland Railpage members I see on here do not live in Brisbane or even in South East Queensland for that matter. Unlike Melbourne's enormous impact on the lives of most Victorians, what happens in Brisbane has close to zero impact on anyone living more than 400km from it, particularly when it comes to services they will almost never use.

Regional Queenslanders are reliant on the nearest major regional city for tertiary services or employment, not on the state capital - and what happens in Brisbane has no more bearing on their lives than what is happening or Sydney or Melbourne.

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  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Interesting this didnt generate a major splash.  If in the Victorian forums there'd be 100+ comments on this thread already!

It's acually a good example of Queensland's geographic diversity. Most active Queensland Railpage members I see on here do not live in Brisbane or even in South East Queensland for that matter. Unlike Melbourne's enormous impact on the lives of most Victorians, what happens in Brisbane has close to zero impact on anyone living more than 400km from it, particularly when it comes to services they will almost never use.

Regional Queenslanders are reliant on the nearest major regional city for tertiary services or employment, not on the state capital - and what happens in Brisbane has no more bearing on their lives than what is happening or Sydney or Melbourne.
Sulla1
Agreed.  I think i read a report somewhere where it is the least geographically centric economy in the country.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Interesting this didnt generate a major splash.  If in the Victorian forums there'd be 100+ comments on this thread already!

It's acually a good example of Queensland's geographic diversity. Most active Queensland Railpage members I see on here do not live in Brisbane or even in South East Queensland for that matter. Unlike Melbourne's enormous impact on the lives of most Victorians, what happens in Brisbane has close to zero impact on anyone living more than 400km from it, particularly when it comes to services they will almost never use.

Regional Queenslanders are reliant on the nearest major regional city for tertiary services or employment, not on the state capital - and what happens in Brisbane has no more bearing on their lives than what is happening or Sydney or Melbourne.
Agreed.  I think i read a report somewhere where it is the least geographically centric economy in the country.
james.au
Tasmania is I think.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Could be.  Found the report and BNE is the lowest at 52% but Hobart/Tasmania isnt calculated

https://grattan.edu.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/814-mapping-australia-economy.pdf
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Could be.  Found the report and BNE is the lowest at 52% but Hobart/Tasmania isnt calculated

https://grattan.edu.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/814-mapping-australia-economy.pdf
james.au
When I lived in Tas Greater Hobart was less than 50%.

Wiki says
Tas - total 526,000 (back in late 90's population was sub 500k and dropping, me one of them leaving, but I only went there for uni)
Greater Hobart 226,000, 43%

Brisbane's number one issue is that the two coasts I believe are counted seperately, but really part of Greater Brisbane.

Qld - 5,265,043
BNE - 2,514,184
GC - 693,671 (includes Tweed)
SC - 341,069

So basically almost another million people within commuting distance of whats defined as BNE and part of the Brisbane commuter rail network.

But if we ignore state borders and look at BNE as a major centre, then even more to the south.

For Hobart
There is bugger population south of Hobart, very little to west and by little I mean less than use Doomben trains each day.
On north side after suburbia there is not much more until Launceston.

Hobart really is the accidential capital and only became so because of known water supplies of the day. It only exists as it does today because it is labelled the capital and as a result has the govt departments etc based there to provide some sort of a foundation yet most industry and commerce is in the north. Tas's capital should have been Launceston.  Today L'ton's port is nothing  (Hobart;s is only marginally better with Burnie being the main port for the state) but back then L'ton was significant, its centralised, easier to get to Victoria for shipping and flying and the weather is better.

I dare say had the capital been in the north from the start, Greater Hobart would be less than 50,000 people today and Greater L'ton would be 300k with more living in places like Deveonport. it would certainly help eliminate all the duplicaton of govt services (and private sector) between Nth and Sth that have plauged the state for decades including the ongoing $hit fight on which port should be the main one, instead of the 4 fighting over the scraps.


I suppose this will lead to the argument should Brisbane be the capital? Further north safe shipping options I think were limited as was water supplies and quality of soil back and the further north the less friendly the weather for the days of old and no AC. Today BNE is probably still ok as moving it to Rocky isn't going to change the status or distance for NQ/FNQ and the southern part of the state would more likely trade with NSW/Newcastle/Sydney. The Dirranbandi railway was a classic border railway fence to stop farmers exporting via Newcastle.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Railpage articles on the topic indicate once operational this will end direct Brisbane airport to Gold Coast services. Good or bad ?
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Hobart really is the accidential capital and only became so because of known water supplies of the day. It only exists as it does today because it is labelled the capital and as a result has the govt departments etc based there to provide some sort of a foundation yet most industry and commerce is in the north. Tas's capital should have been Launceston.  Today L'ton's port is nothing  (Hobart;s is only marginally better with Burnie being the main port for the state) but back then L'ton was significant, its centralised, easier to get to Victoria for shipping and flying and the weather is better.

I dare say had the capital been in the north from the start, Greater Hobart would be less than 50,000 people today and Greater L'ton would be 300k with more living in places like Deveonport. it would certainly help eliminate all the duplicaton of govt services (and private sector) between Nth and Sth that have plauged the state for decades including the ongoing $hit fight on which port should be the main one, instead of the 4 fighting over the scraps.


I suppose this will lead to the argument should Brisbane be the capital? Further north safe shipping options I think were limited as was water supplies and quality of soil back and the further north the less friendly the weather for the days of old and no AC. Today BNE is probably still ok as moving it to Rocky isn't going to change the status or distance for NQ/FNQ and the southern part of the state would more likely trade with NSW/Newcastle/Sydney. The Dirranbandi railway was a classic border railway fence to stop farmers exporting via Newcastle.
RTT_Rules
Mate all of this wraps up into my ongoing point here and elsewhere that the states are outdated and not in our best interest and that two layers of government with a national tier and a second regional their (which is smaller than states but bigger than local councils) is what we need in Australia.

But waaaaaaaaaaayy off topic and best for another thread.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Railpage articles on the topic indicate once operational this will end direct Brisbane airport to Gold Coast services. Good or bad ?
freightgate
YEs but will mean new direct services from the west to the airport.  So swings and roundabouts no?  Changing trains isnt that hard, lets hope the connections are well planned.
  neillfarmer Chief Train Controller

Railpage articles on the topic indicate once operational this will end direct Brisbane airport to Gold Coast services. Good or bad ?
freightgate
A lot of tourists still holiday on the Gold Coast and fly in and out of Brisbane. Forcing these people, who are strangers to the system, to change trains is a bad move.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Railpage articles on the topic indicate once operational this will end direct Brisbane airport to Gold Coast services. Good or bad ?
A lot of tourists still holiday on the Gold Coast and fly in and out of Brisbane. Forcing these people, who are strangers to the system, to change trains is a bad move.
neillfarmer
Yes and no, done it alot while travelling, not a drama. What travellers need is easy ticketing, ideally credit card tap on or cash systems. Not forced to use at times complicated and at times costly transport cards. Clear signage and customer support and ease of transfer.

Regardless, they (Qld govt) don't really have a choice in this situation so it is what it is.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Railpage articles on the topic indicate once operational this will end direct Brisbane airport to Gold Coast services. Good or bad ?
A lot of tourists still holiday on the Gold Coast and fly in and out of Brisbane. Forcing these people, who are strangers to the system, to change trains is a bad move.
neillfarmer
Welcome to Sydney which requires changes for most people given the configuration of the lines, but it seems to have decent patronage.

Plenty of other places in the world too.  

But as noted, its not like the airport line is cur off, just redirected to another line group.

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