Renewable energy thread 2022

 
  Carnot Minister for Railways

The Deutsch are going to have to rug up this coming winter.

Meanwhile in Spain it's massive fines for having A/C set at less than 27c in summer:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/02/spain-puts-limits-on-air-conditioning-and-heating-to-save-energy

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  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
Why didn't they send them windmills instead? Aren't they just as good?

  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
But Don,

It's only bad when we use it to keep the power on.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
Our resident anti-climate change dinosaurs are being even further left behind with the imminent development of off-shore windfarms across the south of Australia.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/we-re-way-behind-the-game-bowen-takes-step-towards-offshore-wind-farm-approvals-20220805-p5b7hm.html

The federal government is planning to create a national network of zones where offshore wind power generation is allowed, naming six areas it will seek to declare “suitable” as Chris Bowen said Australia had a lot of catching up to do in the sector.

Even Darren Chester, Nationals MP for Gippsland is behind this project.

Roll on the predictable crocodile tears from the far right in these pages about the poor and the freezing/boiling pensioners.

Mike.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Gippsland will be the first project.

How will the transmission lines around there cope ?
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
Our resident anti-climate change dinosaurs are being even further left behind with the imminent development of off-shore windfarms across the south of Australia.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/we-re-way-behind-the-game-bowen-takes-step-towards-offshore-wind-farm-approvals-20220805-p5b7hm.html

The federal government is planning to create a national network of zones where offshore wind power generation is allowed, naming six areas it will seek to declare “suitable” as Chris Bowen said Australia had a lot of catching up to do in the sector.

Even Darren Chester, Nationals MP for Gippsland is behind this project.

Roll on the predictable crocodile tears from the far right in these pages about the poor and the freezing/boiling pensioners.

Mike.
The Vinelander
So we're going to replicate the mistakes already made in the UK and Germany? The many billions of pounds spent on off-shore wind-farms in the UK completely failed them last northern summer when they didn't generate very much for months on end and they had to import record amounts of French nuclear electricity and they ran short of LNG.

Victoria won't have that option when their wind-farms fail.

Presumably you think that's great news too, Mike.
Gippsland will be the first project. How will the transmission lines around there cope ?
freightgate
Don't worry, the renewable industry is being gifted $10 billion to connect their unreliable sources of energy to the grid - well, not a gift so much as a tax on existing grid users. You know, the grid captive working poor who Mike thinks don't exist.
  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
I heard on the Radio this morning that Coal Fired power stations are being used overseas quite a lot in fact, yet the naysayers here want to say no to Coal? I wonder why....
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
Our resident anti-climate change dinosaurs are being even further left behind with the imminent development of off-shore windfarms across the south of Australia.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/we-re-way-behind-the-game-bowen-takes-step-towards-offshore-wind-farm-approvals-20220805-p5b7hm.html

The federal government is planning to create a national network of zones where offshore wind power generation is allowed, naming six areas it will seek to declare “suitable” as Chris Bowen said Australia had a lot of catching up to do in the sector.

Even Darren Chester, Nationals MP for Gippsland is behind this project.

Roll on the predictable crocodile tears from the far right in these pages about the poor and the freezing/boiling pensioners.

Mike.
So we're going to replicate the mistakes already made in the UK and Germany? The many billions of pounds spent on off-shore wind-farms in the UK completely failed them last northern summer when they didn't generate very much for months on end *** Bleat irrelevancies***
don_dunstan

I wasn't aware the Irish sea was to the south of us...astonishing Exclamation

I thought it was Bass Strait and the Southern Ocean...amazing, we learn something every day.

Nothing about the pensioners and the poor Question

Mike.
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
I wasn't aware the Irish sea was to the south of us...astonishing Exclamation

I thought it was Bass Strait and the Southern Ocean...amazing, we learn something every day.

Nothing about the pensioners and the poor Question

Mike.
The Vinelander
The above response had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with what was being discussed.

Honestly, you're not even trying to properly contribute to the conversation that the adults are having. Best to just stick to complaining about a long-dead train service that will never be resurrected.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
I wasn't aware the Irish sea was to the south of us...astonishing Exclamation

I thought it was Bass Strait and the Southern Ocean...amazing, we learn something every day.

Nothing about the pensioners and the poor Question

Mike.
The above response had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with what was being discussed.

Honestly, you're not even trying to properly contribute to the conversation that the adults are having. Best to just stick to complaining about a long-dead train service that will never be resurrected.
don_dunstan

Is that what you are now...an adult Question

You have such a mistaken view of yourself.

M.
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
Is that what you are now...an adult Question

You have such a mistaken view of yourself.

M.
The Vinelander
Yet again we're at a juncture where all you have is insults because you don't understand what the issues are and all you can do is make snide comments like a bratty child.

It doesn't matter to you that the evidence supporting trillion-odd dollars that they want to waste on 'renewables' is consistently wrong - all the predictions of immanent doom from 15 years ago about never having any water on the Australian continent again proved utterly wrong and led state governments to waste resources constructing stranded assets - in Victoria's case nearly $30 billion on a contract with Aquasure all because some doom-saying cranks were listened-to.

Then we're told that we're going to burn death later on and that this was definitely going to be the future - again wrong. Yet on the basis of these consistently failed predictions we're supposed to be believe that the spending of a trillion more dollars that we'll be able to avert certain death for this country's citizens while 70% of the world completely ignores carbon dioxide targets and continues to build coal, gas and all manner of carbon spewing facilities.

What's the point of depriving ourselves of reliable, cheap electricity when most of the world is doing exactly zip? And it's the Chinese who are laughing all the way to the bank - nearly every turbine and solar panel is made there using our coal and our gas to manufacture them. We're paying a borderline hostile autocracy to manufacture un-necessary and inefficient infrastructure that isn't fit for purpose and can't actually power our grid at times that its most needed. Again, why? Why are we doing this when the level of carbon dioxide is going to increase massively regardless of what we do - all we're doing is off-shoring the remaining jobs that are trade-exposed and making ourselves more dependent than ever on overseas maufacutures.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
You've really got to stop quoting the Oz without credit. They'll end up suing you.

M.
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
Almost no wind whatsoever across eastern Australia tonight - so electricity costs are through the roof (as usual). South Australia has the highest wholesale price of all at $590 MWh although VIC ($490) and TAS ($487) aren't far behind. Good old diesel electric power is currently providing 10% of SA's needs, gas 85%, battery 5% (although its half hour of useful life is probably almost up) and the rest of our current un-met demand (around 560 MWh) is being provided by good old Latrobe Valley brown coal.

So at our evening peak wind is providing (drum-roll please!) 0% of our needs. It isn't working at all. Not a single MW.

Strangely enough the mostly coal-fired states of QLD and NSW aren't nearly as high as that, both around $200 MWh despite the fact that we're told repeatedly by some people here that coal is more expensive than windmills.
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
Wind, solar and gas all fail Germany - again - from Rachel Morison (Bloomberg, paywall);

Short-term German power prices more than doubled as calm weather and the expected halt of gas flows on the Nord Stream pipeline crimped supplies.

Power for Monday surged to the highest since early March with wind generation forecast to remain at very low levels for the next few days. There will also be less gas available for power plants with Nord Stream scheduled to halt on Monday.

The surge in prices is yet another blow for millions of homes and factories in Europe’s biggest economy. Like everywhere else in Europe, they are suffering from soaring inflation as costs for everything from energy and petrol to food are jumping.

Wasn't more renewable energy supposed to lead to lower prices? Looks like the opposite is happening all over Europe right now.
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
Meanwhile UK energy bills are going through the roof - the previous price cap has been blown out of the water by another 25% increase announced this month - Bloomberg;

Estimates of the UK energy price cap for households have broken through £4,000 ($4,860) for the first time, as the Bank of England warns that the nation is heading for more than a year of recession under the pressure of soaring inflation.

The cap on default energy tariffs could jump as high as £4,210 a year in January, according to Investec Bank Plc, more than double the level now. The prediction will be grim reading for many families that are already struggling to pay record bills, and it’s not even cold yet.

[NB: The average power bill in the UK last winter was £1,300 by comparison. So electricity and gas costs for the average household has gone up by nearly £3,000 in the space of just twelve months]

On Thursday, regulator Ofgem said that the price cap will be adjusted quarterly instead of twice a year to better adapt to market volatility. This move was criticized by energy poverty campaigners as “inhumane” because it will hit households in mid-winter, the worst time for higher bills.

“We understand why Ofgem wishes to provide greater market resilience, but the pressure on households grows,” Martin Young, analyst at Investec said in a note.

The estimate comes on the same day that the Bank of England unleashed its biggest interest-rate hike in 27 years. Rising energy prices prompted the BOE to boost its forecast for the peak of inflation to 13.3% in October, and warn that costs will remain elevated throughout 2023. There’s increasing pressure for the next Conservative prime minister to expand government aid to try to blunt a cost-of-living crisis that will see real disposable incomes fall more than at any time in about 60 years.

Really, 13% inflation? And the cost of electricity is now going up a mind-blowing 25% in just a matter of months, coming on top of a near-doubling of energy costs in the UK in the last 12 months. We'd have to be insane to follow the UK down the path of off-shore windmill farms that don't produce power when they're needed, right?
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
One more nail in the RWNJ's coffin.

Ohh the poor and energy depleted...go on there's your cue.

Pres. Bidens Climate Bill has passed.

https://www.theage.com.au/environment/climate-change/i-can-look-my-kids-in-the-eye-us-senate-finally-flexes-muscle-on-climate-change-20220808-p5b83r.html

The package, which was conceived by President Joe Biden as the Build Back Better Bill but born as the Inflation Reduction Act, is now likely to breeze through the House of Representatives by the end of the week.

The climate provisions alone will see $US370 billion ($534.15 billion) spent on incentives for homeowners to electrify their homes and buy EVs, and industry to invest in clean energy.

Mike.
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
One more nail in the RWNJ's coffin.

Ohh the poor and energy depleted...go on there's your cue.
The Vinelander
"Deprived" not "depleted". Get it right, dumb-dumb.
The package, which was conceived by President Joe Biden as the Build Back Better Bill but born as the Inflation Reduction Act...
The Vinelander
The very definition of irony, the socialist belief that you can spend your way to prosperity.

You can't - and spending $430,000,000,000 will have the exact opposite effect on inflation - CNBC;

Democratic lawmakers celebrated on Sunday as the Senate narrowly passed sweeping economic and climate change legislation following a 51-50 party-line vote. The bill, called the Inflation Reduction Act, now heads to the House where it’s expected to pass, and then likely on to President Joe Biden’s desk for signing.  

Although the bill has “inflation reduction” right there in the title, its policies are unlikely to put a lid on rising prices in the near future, says Bill Adams, chief economist for Comerica Bank. “Over the short run, fluctuations in energy, food and housing prices will set what happens to inflation this year,” he says.

So you're celebrating the fact that a big-spending socialist government is spending even more money with the absurd assertion that it will control inflation?

Of course you are.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
Ahh...yes we were well overdue for a line of Zero's.

Depleted, diminished, deprived, disadvantaged, dispossessed... semantics from the representative from SA's crocodile tears.

Mike.
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
Ahh...yes we were well overdue for a line of Zero's.

Depleted, diminished, deprived, disadvantaged, dispossessed... semantics from the representative from SA's crocodile tears.

Mike.
The Vinelander
You have zero, Mike. As usual. Zilch. Zip. You have nothing whatsoever to bring to this conversation except your humourless, self-righteous bitterness.

In all seriousness, stop posting if you have nothing to say. You're embarrassing.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Land use dilemmas:


Not such a big deal in Australia (given our low % of arable land), but a big issue in many countries.
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
Oklahoma, USA - earlier this week -


Energy future!
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
Speaking of wind energy, it's failing us all across the nation tonight - funny how it always goes still all at once across Australia and during a stable high pressure system (which can happen any time of year).

In South Australia we're only getting 12% of our power from wind while gas does the heavy lifting (as usual) at 88% of our energy needs (1,284 MWh) and around another 400 MWh imported from Victoria, usually their dirty brown electrons from the Latrobe Valley. Blackouts once the Latrobe Valley coal-fired power stations are gone - presently the Greens and Teals insisting they must all be closed with seven years.

Idiocy - completely stupid.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Oklahoma, USA - earlier this week -


Energy future!
don_dunstan

Another poorly thought out comment, you are on a roll today.

Extreme major storm (which you can see the water in the photo, knocks out 1 tower of 4-5 MW in a wind farm of almost 1000 MW installed capacity so a loss of 0.5% and can be replaced within 6mths. No one died or was even injuried or a threat to be being injuried.

Meanwhile as a starter
- 1998 chain of coal turbine failures in Qld
- 2021 Callide power station turbine failure, knocks out 10% of Qld's power for a few days, about 5% of Qld energy output and takes 18-24mths to repair.
- End less number of coal mine deaths over the last 50 years feeding the coal power sector, start with Moura mine with around 30 deaths in 3 events over 20 years.
- 3 Mile island
- Chernobyl

Shall we go on or are we done here?
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
Oklahoma, USA - earlier this week -


Energy future!

Another poorly thought out comment, you are on a roll today.

Extreme major storm (which you can see the water in the photo, knocks out 1 tower of 4-5 MW in a wind farm of almost 1000 MW installed capacity so a loss of 0.5% and can be replaced within 6mths. No one died or was even injuried or a threat to be being injuried.

Meanwhile as a starter
- 1998 chain of coal turbine failures in Qld
- 2021 Callide power station turbine failure, knocks out 10% of Qld's power for a few days, about 5% of Qld energy output and takes 18-24mths to repair.
- End less number of coal mine deaths over the last 50 years feeding the coal power sector, start with Moura mine with around 30 deaths in 3 events over 20 years.
- 3 Mile island
- Chernobyl

Shall we go on or are we done here?
RTT_Rules
Skated straight over the fact that wind has failed to deliver - nationally - tonight in Australia. Did. Not. Deliver.

Coal mining isn't actually that dangerous when you have competent, responsible companies doing it. Whereas for some reason dirty carbon and particulate spewing diesel generators are really good even when sited in metropolitan Adelaide. Go figure!

Meanwhile renewables will kill people when they force the cost of power beyond what pensioners can afford but just like that dolt Mike the Vinelander you think those people don't exist or deserve it because they're poor. Right?
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Oklahoma, USA - earlier this week -


Energy future!

Another poorly thought out comment, you are on a roll today.

Extreme major storm (which you can see the water in the photo, knocks out 1 tower of 4-5 MW in a wind farm of almost 1000 MW installed capacity so a loss of 0.5% and can be replaced within 6mths. No one died or was even injuried or a threat to be being injuried.

Meanwhile as a starter
- 1998 chain of coal turbine failures in Qld
- 2021 Callide power station turbine failure, knocks out 10% of Qld's power for a few days, about 5% of Qld energy output and takes 18-24mths to repair.
- End less number of coal mine deaths over the last 50 years feeding the coal power sector, start with Moura mine with around 30 deaths in 3 events over 20 years.
- 3 Mile island
- Chernobyl

Shall we go on or are we done here?
Skated straight over the fact that wind has failed to deliver - nationally - tonight in Australia. Did. Not. Deliver.

Coal mining isn't actually that dangerous when you have competent, responsible companies doing it. Whereas for some reason dirty carbon and particulate spewing diesel generators are really good even when sited in metropolitan Adelaide. Go figure!

Meanwhile renewables will kill people when they force the cost of power beyond what pensioners can afford but just like that dolt Mike the Vinelander you think those people don't exist or deserve it because they're poor. Right?
don_dunstan
Skated straight over the fact that you have never had any relevent post on this subject have you? You still don't know how it all works do you Don!

One day you will learn how the power pricing actually works Don and why RE is not the problem, one day Don, but I doubt any time soon.

"Coal mining isn't dangerous" WELCOME TO THE DUMBEST COMMENT OF THE MONTH AWARD, congratulations Don you won a prize. I believe you won the last one when you said CO2 wasn't a harmful gas.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_mining#Disasters

'nuff said

Good luck Don!

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