NSW - Where is it #6

 
  daniel741231 Train Controller

Location: Trying to figure out who else from work posts on here...
No, it isn't Wee Waa.

Clue: The location is on a branch line

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  nadnerb_2000 Chief Commissioner

Location: between my hat and my shoe soles
gotta go to work again

Coonamble? Walgett?
  daniel741231 Train Controller

Location: Trying to figure out who else from work posts on here...
Enjoy your night shift.

Coonamble and Walgett are not correct.
  nadnerb_2000 Chief Commissioner

Location: between my hat and my shoe soles
Okay - It cant be a terminus, as it is up from the station with the creek name.

It is north of the Main West, and presumably not on the main west itself.

It has never been electrified

It is single line, with a station, small barracks, coal stage (though that looked more like a water tower without a tank to me), what looks like a goods platform.

Its on a branch - there are 10 terminating branches that I can see in the area you've mentioned. This is not including closed lines.

Flooded by a creek, not a river.

I'm just about to run out of ideas.

Trangie?
  Sonofagunzel Chief Commissioner

North Richmond?
  Warks Minister for Railways

Location: Near H30+059
Okay if the creek happened to be Croppa Creek then this could be North Star.  I said Boggabilla ages ago - it's always nice to know when you're on the right line...
  deepblue Chief Commissioner

Location: In exile
Gwabegar!
  nadnerb_2000 Chief Commissioner

Location: between my hat and my shoe soles
Okay if the creek happened to be Croppa Creek then this could be North Star.  I said Boggabilla ages ago - it's always nice to know when you're on the right line...
"Warks"


Is there a station called Croppa? The line is one with a station named after the creek. I havent heard of a station called croppa, can cant think of one that would be down of North Star.
  nadnerb_2000 Chief Commissioner

Location: between my hat and my shoe soles
Gwabegar!
"deepblue"


Cant be a terminus according to the clues. Was Gwabegar a terminus in the 50s, as it appears to be now (according to Hema Maps Rail Journeys of Australia which includes all operating rail lines as of this year)

I dont know what it is myself yet here I am "correcting" people . . .  Confused
  deepblue Chief Commissioner

Location: In exile
Gwabegar!
"deepblue"


Cant be a terminus according to the clues. Was Gwabegar a terminus in the 50s, as it appears to be now (according to Hema Maps Rail Journeys of Australia which includes all operating rail lines as of this year)

I dont know what it is myself yet here I am "correcting" people . . .  Confused
"nadnerb_2000"


hahaha Smile

well, the post where you conclude that it's not a terminus is based on some seriously hard to follow logic...perhaps someone got their 'up' and 'down' confused or something.

anyway, appart from the 'not a terminus' criteria, Gwabegar is on a tiny branch, and the town is near Baradine Creek, next stop on the line is Baradine. North of main west, never electrified.
  Warks Minister for Railways

Location: Near H30+059
Okay if the creek happened to be Croppa Creek then this could be North Star.  I said Boggabilla ages ago - it's always nice to know when you're on the right line...
"Warks"


Is there a station called Croppa? The line is one with a station named after the creek. I havent heard of a station called croppa, can cant think of one that would be down of North Star.
"nadnerb_2000"


Well there's definitely a station called "Croppa Creek" and a creek called "Croppa" - North Star is the next station 'down' from Croppa Ck while Crooble is the next station 'up'.  All that North West area got its worst ever flood in 1955. The Murrumbidgee area copped it in 1956 - if not worst, then its worst flood of the 20th century.
  Sparkie Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Havent been keeping track of the guesses, so this could have been said before, but:

Coonabarabran?

Pete
  nadnerb_2000 Chief Commissioner

Location: between my hat and my shoe soles
Gwabegar!
"deepblue"


Cant be a terminus according to the clues. Was Gwabegar a terminus in the 50s, as it appears to be now (according to Hema Maps Rail Journeys of Australia which includes all operating rail lines as of this year)

I dont know what it is myself yet here I am "correcting" people . . .  Confused
"nadnerb_2000"


hahaha Smile

well, the post where you conclude that it's not a terminus is based on some seriously hard to follow logic...perhaps someone got their 'up' and 'down' confused or something.

anyway, appart from the 'not a terminus' criteria, Gwabegar is on a tiny branch, and the town is near Baradine Creek, next stop on the line is Baradine. North of main west, never electrified.
"deepblue"


I say its not a terminus, because unless the terminus faces away from Sydney (like Toronto did), a train cannot go "down" from a terminus. Therefore, if the station named after the creek is down of the location photographed, the location cannot be a terminus. Its definately not toronto.

Following your guess with the creek/line guess, and going up rather than down, Coonabarrabran would be the location. And drat it, I'm not the first to say it. Just to cover all bases though, I'm going to say the next town up of that - Binnaway.
  nadnerb_2000 Chief Commissioner

Location: between my hat and my shoe soles
After an extensive search, I now believe its Baradine

After looking at the photos, I'm hoping I'm right, while the track layout is not the same today, I've found some evidence:

http://www.the-dragons-den.net/images/gwabegar/

Have a look at Baradine, which unlike Coona, has:

- A staff hut
- Locomotive servicing facilities (namely a disused turntable)
- A site where a small barracks once stood

The station has been removed, so its impossible to compare, and the track plan is not right (missing a track) but that said the general layout looks right.

Coonabarrabran would also be a good bet, the track plan is right. However, the cutting doesnt seem to fit, and there seem to be too many trackside buildings. The station building burnt down 2 years ago.

Gwabegar is a distant candidate, though the track layout looks a little unlikely for mine, it also doesnt seem to have any loco facilities beyond the triangle. The staff hut there, too, is on the site of the old station.

Well, I think we should be put out of our misery, and be told if we have the right line or not.
  nadnerb_2000 Chief Commissioner

Location: between my hat and my shoe soles
On Reflection:

http://www.the-dragons-den.net/images/baradine/

Having found this, the coona shots down the bottom, especially one or two of the yard shots, makes me think its coona. That and the water tower visible to the left of the train in the yard, showing there were steam servicing facilities here - the water tower being near where the coal stage was.
  daniel741231 Train Controller

Location: Trying to figure out who else from work posts on here...
Sorry about the late reply.


Gwabegar is the correct location. I actually went down to see Roy to confirm this based on the comments made, but it is actually downtown Gwabegar, and not Baridine.

I apoligise if the "down" clue caused confusion, especially in context of a terminal station. A train travelling from Gwabegar to Coona would be a down train. (I hope)

I have to run, I got dinner with my kids, and will fill you all in with the finer details as soon as I can, some time tomorrow but definately tomorrow night.

Best regards,



Daniel
  Sparkie Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
That would make it deepblue's turn, would it not?

Pete
  dullsteamer Deputy Commissioner

Location: Waterfall, NSW

I apoligise if the "down" clue caused confusion, especially in context of a terminal station. A train travelling from Gwabegar to Coona would be a down train. (I hope)
"daniel741231"


A train running Gwabegar to Coona would be an Up train.
  nadnerb_2000 Chief Commissioner

Location: between my hat and my shoe soles
Well the down clue did cause confusion, but the location was still guessed. Down usually indicates going away from Sydney and up usually indicates going towards Sydney. As I said though, in locations such as the Toronto branch, which is a branch that you used to access by points facing in the up direction, up was in the direction of the terminus as that was closer to Sydney than the junction.

No dramas though, that was definately a cracker of a quiz. I would not have got that location, I dont know my creek names well enough

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  dullsteamer Deputy Commissioner

Location: Waterfall, NSW
Well the down clue did cause confusion, but the location was still guessed. Down usually indicates going away from Sydney and up usually indicates going towards Sydney.
"nadnerb_2000"


Down is always away from Sydney and up is always towards Sydney unless otherwise specifically stated in the relevant WTT/Local Appendix. The relative distances of the junction and terminus from Sydney have nothing to do with it.
  Warks Minister for Railways

Location: Near H30+059
Well the down clue did cause confusion, but the location was still guessed. Down usually indicates going away from Sydney and up usually indicates going towards Sydney.
"nadnerb_2000"


Down is always away from Sydney and up is always towards Sydney unless otherwise specifically stated in the relevant WTT/Local Appendix. The relative distances of the junction and terminus from Sydney have nothing to do with it.
"dullsteamer"


There's an extensive discussion on this up/down issue here

http://www.railpage.com.au/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=9324

Central is on top of the mountain (even though it isn't) - that's the only way I remember it now!
  daniel741231 Train Controller

Location: Trying to figure out who else from work posts on here...
I would like to apologise for the "down" issue again. Pretty scary, I should have known better since I am on the job. I will fill you all in tonight about the story of the flood.

Regards,



Daniel
  daniel741231 Train Controller

Location: Trying to figure out who else from work posts on here...
That would make it deepblue's turn, would it not?

Pete
"Sparkie"


Deepblue's turn it would be, and failing that, Nadnerb
  Dependentonrail Locomotive Fireman

I remember reading in the book "traincatcher" that in NSW we use Up as in towards sydney but in queensland they use up as in up the coast.  could cause some confusion.
  deepblue Chief Commissioner

Location: In exile
That would make it deepblue's turn, would it not?

Pete
"Sparkie"


Deepblue's turn it would be, and failing that, Nadnerb
"daniel741231"


I defer my turn to dullsteamer, since he had IMO the best recent photo (railcar on the port botany line)

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