Siemens 3700/3800 Class Locomotives for QRNational

 
  3foot6 Minister for Railways

Location: Unknown
The 'real' QR 3801 entered the final stages of production in October 2007 and the first four locomotives are expected to arrive in Australia in mid-2008.

I hope to get photos of the 3800 Class at the Siemens Factory in Munich during my visit in February 2008.

[edit="MichaelJ"]Thread title changed to 3700/3800 Class because locomotive classes are quite similar; mechanically and aesthetically.[/edit]

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  3foot6 Minister for Railways

Location: Unknown
Yesterday some mates and I had a tour of Siemens at Allach (just near München).  After many months of planning, we have finally laid eyes on the real 3801!  The 3800 Class Locomotives look like identical twins to the 3700 Class and are very similar mechanically as well.  The first five locomotives were seen in their final stages of construction.
  bulldozed Deputy Commissioner

So much for the hopes of a european-style body shape  Sad
  Huggies Chief Commissioner

Location: DFC Land :(
After many months of planning, we have finally laid eyes on the real 3801!
"3foot6"


I thought this was the real 3801 Laughing .
  Heavy Hauler Chief Train Controller

Yesterday some mates and I had a tour of Siemens at Allach (just near München).  After many months of planning, we have finally laid eyes on the real 3801!  The 3800 Class Locomotives look like identical twins to the 3700 Class and are very similar mechanically as well.  The first five locomotives were seen in their final stages of construction.
"3foot6"


Photos or it didn't happen.
  Huggies Chief Commissioner

Location: DFC Land :(
Photos or it didn't happen.
"Heavy Hauler"


According to the 3foot6 Euro Thread he wasn't allowed to take any.
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
The 3800 Class Locomotives look like identical twins to the 3700 Class and are very similar mechanically as well.
"3foot6"
You could have saved a lot of money by staying in Queensland and looking at the 3700 class then... Wink
  petey3801 Chief Commissioner

Location: On the rails
The 3800 Class Locomotives look like identical twins to the 3700 Class and are very similar mechanically as well.
"3foot6"
You could have saved a lot of money by staying in Queensland and looking at the 3700 class then... Wink
"Graham4405"


Thats what I thought when I actually saw them! However, it was quite nice to have a guided tour of the Siemens factory! Smile

As far as I could see, locomotives 3801-3805 were in the later stages of fit-out. There were also a number of locomotives for other companies, including DB and a Scandinavian (I think... I have a memory like a fish Smile) company. It would have been nice to see the QRNational livery on a Eurosprinter type locomotive though..

Unfortunately, there was also a strictly "No Photos" rule enforced, least of all because there are a number of other companies using the same buildings who would not be happy about photographs from inside their worksites being published.
  3foot6 Minister for Railways

Location: Unknown
After many months of planning, we have finally laid eyes on the real 3801!
"3foot6"


I thought this was the real 3801 Laughing .
"Huggies"


Sir, that is just an oversize kettle in the shape of a dildo.


The 3800 Class Locomotives look like identical twins to the 3700 Class and are very similar mechanically as well.
"3foot6"


You could have saved a lot of money by staying in Queensland and looking at the 3700 class then... Wink
"Graham4405"


I would agree with with you 110% if my sole purpose in coming to Europe was to see these locomotive under construction.  It was a bit of a let down, I will admit, but a once in a life time experience just the same.


Yesterday some mates and I had a tour of Siemens at Allach (just near München).  After many months of planning, we have finally laid eyes on the real 3801!  The 3800 Class Locomotives look like identical twins to the 3700 Class and are very similar mechanically as well.  The first five locomotives were seen in their final stages of construction.
"3foot6"


Photos or it didn't happen.
"Heavy Hauler"


HERE!

Pete has pretty much said everything that needs to be said now!
  beauyboy Chief Train Controller

Location: the Valley
I have to say if the NSW 3801 is a kettle in the shape of a dildo then the QR 3801 is going to be it's carry box.   Yeeeesssssssh Not impressed but then again it is not spose to be pretty.

Donald
  Huggies Chief Commissioner

Location: DFC Land :(
[Sir, that is just an oversize kettle in the shape of a dildo.
"3foot6"


Never thought you looked at trains in such a sexual way  Shocked .
  M636C Minister for Railways

There was a large scale model of QR 3801 at Ausrail.

While it looks quite a lot like a 3700, it has a flat end where the second cab was on a 3700 and the bogie design is slightly different (I think).

M636C
  biqua Paper Tiger

Location: Under a rock
HERE!
"3foot6"

WTF is that? Shocked Please tell me it's not a real train .... you could beat it with the fugly stick and it would look better. Any I'm not complaining about the livery either, just the hideous box under the paint. I thought american locos looked bad, but this takes the prize ... Spew
  3foot6 Minister for Railways

Location: Unknown
There was a large scale model of QR 3801 at Ausrail.

While it looks quite a lot like a 3700, it has a flat end where the second cab was on a 3700 and the bogie design is slightly different (I think).

M636C
"M636C"


You are right, M636C, the No. 2 Ends are very similar.  The 3800 Class still has a bit of a cab type shape on that end though.

I believe the the bogie design for both locomotives to be Bo-Bo-Bo.


HERE!
"3foot6"


WTF is that? Shocked Please tell me it's not a real train .... you could beat it with the fugly stick and it would look better. Any I'm not complaining about the livery either, just the hideous box under the paint. I thought american locos looked bad, but this takes the prize ... Spew
"biqua"


I agree that the 3700/3800 Locomotives are not the most aesthetically appealing rollingstock I have seen, but with 4000kW, they will do their job with ease.

The train consist advice is at home ... From what I remember, three locomotives (arranged A/A/B) will haul about 124 coal wagons.  The 3700 Class are 126t and the 3800 Class are 132t.
  M636C Minister for Railways

There was a large scale model of QR 3801 at Ausrail.

While it looks quite a lot like a 3700, it has a flat end where the second cab was on a 3700 and the bogie design is slightly different (I think).

M636C
"M636C"


You are right, M636C, the No. 2 Ends are very similar.  The 3800 Class still has a bit of a cab type shape on that end though.

I believe the the bogie design for both locomotives to be Bo-Bo-Bo.


"3foot6"


The Wheel Arrangement is Bo-Bo-Bo as are all QR electric locomotives.

The bogies look similar but Siemens assured me they were their own design and not copies of the old Hitachi design on the 3100/3200 series.

Certainly the traction rods are arranged a little differently, and are no longer the longest ever seen on a locomotive.

The model showed a completely flat rear end, with a small frame projection at the bottom with an anticlimber. The 3700 retains the cab shape, even retaining the sun visor over the removed cab windows, at least on the early conversions.

M636C
  mrwoo Station Staff

A mate from up north emailed me this link to a pic of 3801.
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/1359/3801if7.png
  M636C Minister for Railways

A mate from up north emailed me this link to a pic of 3801.
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/1359/3801if7.png
"mrwoo"


It looks pretty flat to me!

It does have rounded corners, I guess!

M636C
  3foot6 Minister for Railways

Location: Unknown
There are a few rounded corners if you look from the right angles.

I must agree with Huggies though when he says they're just a box on wheels.  There's absolutely no aesthetics whatsoever.
  3foot6 Minister for Railways

Location: Unknown
It has been quite a while since the last 3700 Class headed north on #Y243.  A mate sighted QR 3713 doing some static testing at UGR Broadmeadow yesterday.  Hopefully she'll be back on Queensland soil again soon.

QR 3250 has also recently entered UGR Townsville to be upgraded into a 3700 Class.
  3foot6 Minister for Railways

Location: Unknown
Now that my research is almost complete, it is time to start writing!  A 3700 Class Article (maybe 3800 as well) is booked in for December Railway Digest.
  42101 Banned

Location: Banned
So will it include the photos of yours from your factory tour?
  M636C Minister for Railways

Now that my research is almost complete, it is time to start writing!  A 3700 Class Article (maybe 3800 as well) is booked in for December Railway Digest.
"3foot6"


Try to avoid saying the same things I said in my article in RD on the 3700 of two years ago! It is surprising how little has happened in that time. The rebuilds have been very slow appearing and the 3800 class seem to have taken a long time to appear.

M636C
  bundyfowler Train Controller

Location: Gladstone
Ugly things! they should all be scrapped Twisted Evil
  3foot6 Minister for Railways

Location: Unknown
So will it include the photos of yours from your factory tour?
"BLAZE"


You'll just have to wait and see, Greg! Wink


Now that my research is almost complete, it is time to start writing!  A 3700 Class Article (maybe 3800 as well) is booked in for December Railway Digest.
"3foot6"


Try to avoid saying the same things I said in my article in RD on the 3700 of two years ago! It is surprising how little has happened in that time. The rebuilds have been very slow appearing and the 3800 class seem to have taken a long time to appear.

M636C
"M636C"


Will do, Sir.  I have your piece infront of me right now.

QR 3801/3802 are on their way to our shores right now ...


Ugly things! they should all be scrapped Twisted Evil
"bundyfowler"


True, they're not the most aesthetically pleasing locomotives.  But with 5471HP, they sure have some grunt!
  3foot6 Minister for Railways

Location: Unknown
According to a mate, QR 3713 is getting closer to leaving UGR.  The Locomotive has been partially painted as of a couple of days ago.

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