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  Fireman Dave Chief Commissioner

Location: Shh, I'm hiding
There is no bunded area for fueling by road at Coota.
"Fireman Dave"


That is true. I meant Junee yard has the bunded area.
"Stepto"


I'd like to know where> I've never noticed one. There is a section of 9rd that has matting down, but that's all, unless you count the decommisioned fuel point adjacent to the refuge and 1rd (which doesn't have road access).

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  Stepto Assistant Commissioner

I'd like to know where> I've never noticed one.
"Fireman Dave"


This back in about 2000, when I was there for 3 weeks. I was shown an area directly accros from the station, northern end, where a gate was access for a road tanker to fuel locos. I don't know roads nomenclature there. Perhaps you can arrange a diagram and I can pin point it easier. It may have changed since then.

F-Dave, can you tell me why this Melb-GBN-TRO working was canned?
  FieldShunt74 Chief Commissioner

Why would they go direct Goulburn to Taree off the south Rolling Eyes
"BFCYU"


Crew change.
City rail dont like freight doing crews changes out on the network.
"broy"


I can see where RailCorp might object to freight train crew relief occurring on the main line in the metrop area, but can't see any sensible connection between that and your theory.  PacNat's trains can get relieved in non-disruptive places in Sydney (like North Strathfield, Chullora, Glenfield - Ingleburn, and once the SSFL is built, all points south to Macarthur).

I'm betting someone at PacNat sat down and looked at the timetabled running times and concluded that it was just barely possible for a train to get from Taree to Goulburn under the shift limit.  It must therefore be more efficient to run the trains that way, can I have my big bonus now, please?  Never mind the million and one things that make the likelihood of getting a perfect run from Taree to Goulburn as near to zero as it doesn't matter.

What's probably happened is that reality has set in, and they've realised that the unreliability of stretching so far will more than counter any efficiency gained, so they've retired to lick their wounds.  They might trot it out again later, if they can get the journey times down to the point where it becomes a goer.
  BFCYU Chief Train Controller

Location: Sydney "Sutherland Shire"
Why would they go direct Goulburn to Taree off the south Rolling Eyes
"BFCYU"


Crew change.
City rail dont like freight doing crews changes out on the network.
"broy"


I can see where RailCorp might object to freight train crew relief occurring on the main line in the metrop area, but can't see any sensible connection between that and your theory.  PacNat's trains can get relieved in non-disruptive places in Sydney (like North Strathfield, Chullora, Glenfield - Ingleburn, and once the SSFL is built, all points south to Macarthur).

I'm betting someone at PacNat sat down and looked at the timetabled running times and concluded that it was just barely possible for a train to get from Taree to Goulburn under the shift limit.  It must therefore be more efficient to run the trains that way, can I have my big bonus now, please?  Never mind the million and one things that make the likelihood of getting a perfect run from Taree to Goulburn as near to zero as it doesn't matter.

What's probably happened is that reality has set in, and they've realised that the unreliability of stretching so far will more than counter any efficiency gained, so they've retired to lick their wounds.  They might trot it out again later, if they can get the journey times down to the point where it becomes a goer.
"FieldShunt74"


Could not agree with you more!!
  Fireman Dave Chief Commissioner

Location: Shh, I'm hiding
I'd like to know where> I've never noticed one.
"Fireman Dave"


This back in about 2000, when I was there for 3 weeks. I was shown an area directly accros from the station, northern end, where a gate was access for a road tanker to fuel locos. I don't know roads nomenclature there. Perhaps you can arrange a diagram and I can pin point it easier. It may have changed since then.

F-Dave, can you tell me why this Melb-GBN-TRO working was canned?
"Stepto"


That is the area I was refering too. It's not acctually bunded, it only has absorbant matting. You couldn't use it on a regular basis for fueling, especially on through trains.

As far as I know, the reason Melbourne-Goulburn-Taree was canned because it only works in theory, and not in practice.
  BFCYU Chief Train Controller

Location: Sydney "Sutherland Shire"
I started this subject on 4th June 2010.

But now straight from the "horses mouth" dated 8 June 2010.
HERE

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Tue June 8th, 2010 plettner/bevans 156 reads

Pacific National to stay in Junee

A MONTH out from the expected closure of the Junee Pacific National depot the freight company has announced a stunning back flip in its decision.
Rumours circulating about the depot remaining open have been confirmed by Pacific National in a statement released to the Southern Cross/The Daily Advertiser.

A Pacific National spokesperson said the company deferred its decision to close the depot as a result of "having identified an alternative operating model that could see the depot become commercially viable and its employees retained."
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Maybe i was just thinking about it--or PacNat decided to officially act.
Who knows--but 10/10 for leaving Junee open Smile
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
Excellent news for the local folks who depend on the depot for their jobs! Glad to hear it.
  574M White Guru

Location: Shepparton
On Aunty ABC News, concerns arise about Operators being able to determine how long train drivers work for; this is in context with strict new fatigue laws for truck drivers. News article here


Transport union flags fatigue law concerns

Updated 1 hour 1 minute ago


Truck drivers could automatically lose demerit points for breaching new national fatigue laws in a major shake-up of the transport industry.

The National Transport Commission is reviewing state and territory heavy vehicle and rail laws ahead of new national regulators who will take control in 2013.

But one suggestion already has truck drivers applying the brakes - those who breach fatigue laws could automatically lose demerit points.

The Australian Trucking Association's Jill Lewis says that could mean drivers losing their licence.

"They automatically lose their job, they lose their income, they can't pay their mortgages," Ms Lewis said.

The Rail, Tram and Bus Union (RTBU) is also worried about a proposal to allow rail operators to make train drivers work longer hours.

It says New South Wales has some of the toughest anti-fatigue standards in the country and nothing less should be accepted Australia-wide.

Bob Nanva from the RTBU says employers could be given the power to decide how long staff should work.

"What the draft legislation proposes is to allow rail operators the flexibility to determine their own shift lengths and to determine what they think are reasonable rest breaks that could potentially be done on the basis of what's cost efficient," Mr Nanva said.

"When it comes to the safety of the public that's not acceptable."
"Aunty ABC News"
  FieldShunt74 Chief Commissioner

I read the RTBU (union magazine)

Pacific National have applied for D.O.O. for the Main South.
9 hour shifts. (or "bust")
"BFCYU"



No one's managed to get mainline DOO up in NSW thus far.  That's not to say it will never happen.  The Hunter coal network was edging towards DOO, and they got it within the terminals there, but the fallout from the Waterfall inquiry cast a bad light on the concept, in my opinion.  I'm sure PN will try for it, but will they get it?
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
I read the RTBU (union magazine)

Pacific National have applied for D.O.O. for the Main South.
9 hour shifts. (or "bust")
"BFCYU"



No one's managed to get mainline DOO up in NSW thus far.  That's not to say it will never happen.  The Hunter coal network was edging towards DOO, and they got it within the terminals there, but the fallout from the Waterfall inquiry cast a bad light on the concept, in my opinion.  I'm sure PN will try for it, but will they get it?
"FieldShunt74"


When you say "getting it approved" do you mean that one of the bodies like ITSRR would give their blessing? Or would it be a company decision?
  chase42211 Chief Commissioner

Location: A well paid kettle boiler.

No one's managed to get mainline DOO up in NSW thus far.  That's not to say it will never happen.  The Hunter coal network was edging towards DOO, and they got it within the terminals there, but the fallout from the Waterfall inquiry cast a bad light on the concept, in my opinion.  I'm sure PN will try for it, but will they get it?
"FieldShunt74"

The one big thing that failed DOO operations in the Hunter was the poor coverage of the countrynet radio. With this new ICE system giving 100% coverage, I think its only a matter of time before they have another crack at bring it in.
  BFCYU Chief Train Controller

Location: Sydney "Sutherland Shire"
N.B.

I deleted my last post, because it was straight from the RTBU magazine;
and trying to get more details:

ie. Pacific National have applied for D.O.O. for the Main South,
9 hour shifts. (or "bust".)

But here it is from the RTBU.

http://rtbu-nsw.asn.au/railroad/

(Rail & Road  page 9 June 2010)

Interesting though about the train drivers DOO which would bust Exclamation

Also on page 6 the New EA P/N article.
  BFCYU Chief Train Controller

Location: Sydney "Sutherland Shire"
[quote="seb2351"][quote="FieldShunt74"][quote="BFCYU"]I read the RTBU (union magazine)

Pacific National have applied for D.O.O. for the Main South.
9 hour shifts. (or "bust") [/quote]


When you say "getting it approved" do you mean that one of the bodies like ITSRR would give their blessing? Or would it be a company decision?[/quote]

Looking at the article (RTBU R&R June 2010, page 9)
Quote:
"Pacific National has now confirmed its intention
to pursue this option at a recent meeting in Melbourne.
[see previous R&R article, date?] end of quote.

I'm not sure if they tell RTBU with discussions
and or in conjunction with ITSRR,
or how they get approval. ("or applied for D.O.O" as i quoted)

Will wait and see how is the outcome.
  Rodo Chief Commissioner

Location: Southern Riverina
Should be no problem working loco crews out from Junee as far as either of the Broadmeadows.  Driver fatigue can be easily managed by making the trains run considerably faster.  Twisted Evil

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