ELs on SMR coal

 
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
With the amount of clowns out that way 30kph is fast enough.
"chase42211"


Having watched some idiots at level crossings and just around the track in general (last time I visited the area, a group of local kids were walking along one of the wooden trestles on the line...), I'd be inclined to agree with that, but at what point does safety interfere with rail operations. There needs to be a reasonable line somewhere...

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  Michelle12 Moderator Photo Overlord

Location: Melbourne
I was at Hexham all day yesterday and not one PL/48 combo was sighted. EL52-EL55 was sighted on up full @ 9:30 before getting underway @ 10:30. Later this train came out empty @ 17:35. Last week on the 7th and the 4th, these same 2 locos were sighted on up and down coalies.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
No, same speeds...
"Termite"


That doesn't seen very efficient - why increase the loco weight if they are still restricted to running at walking pace? I would have thought it would be more efficiant to speed up trains so that trains can get in and out faster?
"Raichase"

That's what most people choose to think.

It isn't always the case. The money spent on higher speeds, might be better spent on improved loading times at the mine or on some other aspect of the supply chain.

Why do people think that expensive, fast shiny new trains are the answer to everything?
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
It isn't always the case. The money spent on higher speeds, might be better spent on improved loading times at the mine or on some other aspect of the supply chain.

Why does people think that expensive, fast shiny new trains are the answer to everything?
"bingley hall"


I'm sorry, please point out where I said they needed "expensive, fast shiny new trains"?

I was asking if it was not more efficient to have faster trains - it's a single track line, surely a train spending as little time as possible on the line would increase the net amount of coal exported per week.

Of course, you'd be ignorant not to consider other factors, like crew conditions (I understand that the PL's and 48's are not too popular, understandably so), which leads to pressure from unions. The other issue is reliabiliy (again, the PL's rate low on this score from what I read). Of course, you also have fuel consumption, surely the more modern EL Class are more fuel efficiant than the older locomotives.

I do apologise for my question, I come from Sydney and have very little knowledge of the economics of coal haulage. I was inquiring that I thought it was better to speed up the existing trains, rather than contuing to run slow trains on the line, especially using leased locomotives (unless it's cheaper to lease 'em than to own 'em)...
  chase42211 Chief Commissioner

Location: A well paid kettle boiler.
I was at Hexham all day yesterday and not one PL/48 combo was sighted. EL52-EL55 was sighted on up full @ 9:30 before getting underway @ 10:30. Later this train came out empty @ 17:35. Last week on the 7th and the 4th, these same 2 locos were sighted on up and down coalies.
"Michelle12"

They had the line closed today for trackwork, trains are running at night.
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
I was at Hexham all day yesterday and not one PL/48 combo was sighted. EL52-EL55 was sighted on up full @ 9:30 before getting underway @ 10:30. Later this train came out empty @ 17:35. Last week on the 7th and the 4th, these same 2 locos were sighted on up and down coalies.
"Michelle12"

They had the line closed today for trackwork, trains are running at night.
"chase42211"


Do you if the trackwork will run tomorrow? Was planning a visit for some shots, is all.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
I'm sorry, please point out where I said they needed "expensive, fast shiny new trains"?
"Raichase"

It was used in a generic sense and was not aimed at you specifically. There are numerous threads on RP, many in relation to grain traffic, where people think that anything wrong with the supply chain must be rail's fault and making the trains run faster will make everything better.

I was asking if it was not more efficient to have faster trains - it's a single track line, surely a train spending as little time as possible on the line would increase the net amount of coal exported per week.
"Raichase"


That would also be dependent on production capacity at the mine, outloading speed at the mine, availability of unloading slots at Kooragang or Carrington (in competition with other miners), customer contracts, shipping availability etc.etc.

Knocking 30-60 mins of the branch line transit time ain't going to make much of a dent in that equation.

If the customer wants faster trains - as sole user of the line I'm sure they are big enough and ugly enough to stump up the necessary cash for further track upgrades.
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
That would also be dependent on production capacity at the mine, outloading speed at the mine, availability of unloading slots at Kooragang or Carrington (in competition with other miners), customer contracts, shipping availability etc.etc.

Knocking 30-60 mins of the branch line transit time ain't going to make much of a dent in that equation.
"bingley hall"


Thankyou for the added information, I can see your point now.
  Termite Chief Commissioner

Location: NSW
Would appear that EL's have taken over both rakes on this service as of yesterday.

Regards
Tim
  beyerpeacock Assistant Commissioner

Location: Gorton Foundry
Indeed, 52 and 55 on Unit 48, and not sure of the other 2 it was too dark to see tonight.
  Termite Chief Commissioner

Location: NSW
EL56 EL62...
  chase42211 Chief Commissioner

Location: A well paid kettle boiler.

Stored Alco's PL's 2,3,5,6,7 and 48ers 120,129,134,137,143 Kooragang.
  Rodo Chief Commissioner

Location: Southern Riverina
The above locos should be very handy for PN to get out all that grain that is now stacked along the lightly laid branchlines.

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