Kurrajong Line

 
  jayrailnz Chief Train Controller

Location: Cromwell Otago NZ
Old system with Pansy crossed the Nepean  on its way to K

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  steam3801 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Newcastle
Existing thread? http://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11359288.htm
  newington Chief Commissioner

Location: Here, very occasionally.
Existing thread? http://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11359288.htm
"steam3801"


He's specifically asking about the Kurrajong extension section.
  Blaze Locomotive Fireman

Location: Newcastle
I remember reading somewhere that this particular line was closed in the early 1950's due to flood damage or landslide, someone who specializes in railway archeology might be able to help.
  newington Chief Commissioner

Location: Here, very occasionally.
Sydney's Forgotten Park & Rural railways by John Oakes has a comprehensive section about Kurrajong.
  Veyron407 Junior Train Controller

If I remember correctly, it was closed in 1952 after a flood, due to low passenger numbers.
  nkpnsw Locomotive Driver

Yes 1952 is the correct year. There was a landslide which was repaired but before services resumed another one occurred. Most freight was already on the road and a private bus replaced the passenger service. Ironically the bus was run by a family who had a stop on the line named after them, Duffy.

The loco and cars were based at Richmond. There were no facilities not even water at Kurrajong. The locos received more routine maintenance such as boiler washouts at Clyde and were swapped over every couple of weeks.
  jayrailnz Chief Train Controller

Location: Cromwell Otago NZ
Thats a good info thanks to RPagers.I now recall those 1952 floods as was at RAAF Rich and the local daks/choppers were out on flood rescue.I had rellies at Kjong who were locked out of rails to Richmond,so thats obviously when the river crossing was compromised.A classic run lost to posterity like the Camden,Yass etc.
  Athol Chief Train Controller

Location: Within sight of the Newcastle St bridge over the Main North, Cardiff NSW
Possibly a stupid question, but with urban growth and hence road congestion in that area, would there be a functional benefit in reopening the line from Richmond to Kurrajong such that the electric trains would terminate at Kurrajong instead of Richmond?
  albert3801 Chief Commissioner

Location: Werrington, NSW
Probably not at this stage.  A bus runs 12 times a day between Richmond and Kurrajong and that seems to be sufficient.
  newington Chief Commissioner

Location: Here, very occasionally.
Possibly a stupid question, but with urban growth and hence road congestion in that area, would there be a functional benefit in reopening the line from Richmond to Kurrajong such that the electric trains would terminate at Kurrajong instead of Richmond?
"Athol"


Also, as far as I know, much of the former corridor is on private property, save for level xings, Nepean Bridge and Richmond Oval, so land repo would be a sticky political issue probably not worth the effort. Sad
  nkpnsw Locomotive Driver

Probably not at this stage.  A bus runs 12 times a day between Richmond and Kurrajong and that seems to be sufficient.
"albert3801"


I understand it was looked at when the line was electrified in early 90's. An extension at least to North Richmond was considered but was found too difficult. Due to heritage listed buildings in Richmond township it would require a deviation around the town. That would mean a new Richmond station at least plus a new bridge. Too much work / expense for the benefit gained.
  jayrailnz Chief Train Controller

Location: Cromwell Otago NZ
I find this thread very informative ,often wondered if the population growth to Kjong Hts had changed the transport dynamics.Its 50odd years since lived there,not been back to see this growth.
When the station was located, I thought, was in a lower part of the district,then village shops must have been up the hill ?Has much has changed in the place as far as commercial shops etc ,community facilities ?
As far as a new line from Richmond goes it is obviously uneconomic.
  nkpnsw Locomotive Driver

When the line was built there wasn't much near the station. Most of Kurrajong was north of the current village, the other side of the main road. The village gravitated towards the station and that is where the current village is, around the former station site.
There has never been much, just a couple of shops and the hotel, at the Heights.
  Spletsie Chief Commissioner

Lots of information about the history of the Kurrajong line can be found at the following site:
http://www.hawkesburyhistory.org.au/railways/index.html
  jayrailnz Chief Train Controller

Location: Cromwell Otago NZ
Spletsie thanks for those links.
Did the Bells Line of Road start at Kurrajong ? or the heights?Great apples at Bilpin
  Spletsie Chief Commissioner

According to my street directory, Bell's Line of Road starts from the bridge over the Hawkesbury River at Richmond.
  nkpnsw Locomotive Driver

Yes Bells Line of Road starts at the bridge at North Richmond and runs west. The main street through part of the village is Old Bells Line of Road.
  Maikha Moderator Not a gunzel

For the closet road geeks interested, a great article can be read on the Bells Line of Road, with patches of stuff about the Richmond Bridge, can be found here: http://www.ozroads.com.au/NSW/RouteNumbering/State%20Routes/40/bellslineofroad.htm
  jayrailnz Chief Train Controller

Location: Cromwell Otago NZ
By coincidence the Bells Line come over the range to Bells on the western side nearby to Clarence and top points of the ZZR>
Was this line of Bells ever  considered for a mountain  railway in- stead of Lapstone,Katoomba etc?.
ref "Lithgow Zizag Railway"Wm Bayley 1973 page 59 map.
In modern times after much DMR efforts,Bells a much calmer road journey than the Lapstone  way,less urban constrictions.Admitedly it was quite a pioneering journey by low powered vehicles of the early 20th century,in snow and ice on gravel roads.My father faced it like a crossing of the Himalayas in his old Essex he said.
  nkpnsw Locomotive Driver

For the closet road geeks interested, a great article can be read on the Bells Line of Road, with patches of stuff about the Richmond Bridge, can be found here: http://www.ozroads.com.au/NSW/RouteNumbering/State%20Routes/40/bellslineofroad.htm
"Maikha"


Thanks Maikha, interesting page. Might also be interested in the RTA page on the bridge which highlights its heritage significance.
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/index.cgi?action=heritage.show&id=4309511
  Maikha Moderator Not a gunzel

For the closet road geeks interested, a great article can be read on the Bells Line of Road, with patches of stuff about the Richmond Bridge, can be found here: http://www.ozroads.com.au/NSW/RouteNumbering/State%20Routes/40/bellslineofroad.htm
"Maikha"


Thanks Maikha, interesting page. Might also be interested in the RTA page on the bridge which highlights its heritage significance.
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/index.cgi?action=heritage.show&id=4309511
"nkpnsw"
Thanks for that as well!

I looove the Bells Line of Road! Have driven on it countless times heading to and from Zig Zag. Even at 80kph (As opposed to 100kph as it use to be), it is still a pleasant and scenic road to drive on in all weather, just as long as one shows respect to it.

Oh, and the Ampol Petrol pump at Bilpin, still as the petrol price in double and not triple digits Smile
  GrahamH Chief Commissioner

Location: At a terminal on the www.
Bell rd all 80Kmph??? No wonder I don't live in NSW any more!
  nkpnsw Locomotive Driver

By coincidence the Bells Line come over the range to Bells on the western side nearby to Clarence and top points of the ZZR>
Was this line of Bells ever  considered for a mountain  railway in- stead of Lapstone,Katoomba etc?.
ref "Lithgow Zizag Railway"Wm Bayley 1973 page 59 map.
In modern times after much DMR efforts,Bells a much calmer road journey than the Lapstone  way,less urban constrictions.Admitedly it was quite a pioneering journey by low powered vehicles of the early 20th century,in snow and ice on gravel roads.My father faced it like a crossing of the Himalayas in his old Essex he said.
"jayrailnz"


I remember reading of a plan (survey?) to build west from Richmond and come out somewhere north of Lithgow. If I remember correctly it would have been a lower route but much more difficult. The popularity of Katoomba as a holiday location was also a factor. I can't find the link now but will post it if I find it again.

OK, this is the only link I have found but it mentions surveys for railways along Bells line of Road - http://www.masoniclibrary.org.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=168:new-south-wales-railways-crossing-the-blue-mountains&catid=23:lecture&Itemid=30
  johnboy Chief Commissioner

Location: Up the road from Gulgong
Slighty off topic, John Howard promised $20m fo a study to build the Castlereagh Express way from the M7 at Dean Park...Kurrajong... Bells Range... aross the top of Newnes and down at Wallerwang. It would of been great for me!!  "...tell 'em their dreamin' "

I doubt anything would of happened ...anyway... Kevin 07 won the election.

The NSW RTA still continued with the study of the Newnes Plateau diversion to get around Victoria Pass.

Back on topic...

I don't think the style of living and size of population/km would justify a rail line going west of Richmond today. According to ABS in 2006 less than 10,000 people live west of the river at North Richmond and Kurrajong combined. We are struggling to keep V-Sets running from Lithgow on an established line.

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