Pilbara Activity

 
  Toad Montgomery Chief Commissioner

Location: Port Hedland: Team EMU want's YOU!
Interested to hear that FMG is scrapping damaged/irrepairable ore wagons.
Are these accident damaged or just worn out?
Any idea how many, please?

Trivia: The class leaders of the initial order for ore wagons (1001 and 2002) were the last of the first 820 wagons placed on rail at FMG. These  were placed on rail at the car dumper rather than at what was then the Marshalling Yard.
YM-Mundrabilla
Looks to be about 20 sitting at the scrap yard, there is also a large quantity sitting off track on stands at the workshops.
Some look to have derailment dings around the body, others I guess are just worn out, a lot of the fleet have blown side panels where the original style of car tapered in at the top and there was a weld seam there, that is rusting quite bad, with a lot of waggons having these panels replaced and then re-lined.
They have also taken delivery of quite a lot of new waggons also.

Below are a couple of pics showing a repaired and re-lined waggon pair and a pair with slightly blown side walls. I've seen a lot worse...





I'll attempt to get a couple of pics over the fence of the scrap yard in the next week or so.

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  Toad Montgomery Chief Commissioner

Location: Port Hedland: Team EMU want's YOU!
Interested to hear that FMG is scrapping damaged/irrepairable ore wagons.
Are these accident damaged or just worn out?
Any idea how many, please?

Trivia: The class leaders of the initial order for ore wagons (1001 and 2002) were the last of the first 820 wagons placed on rail at FMG. These  were placed on rail at the car dumper rather than at what was then the Marshalling Yard.
The reason these two were the last was because they were built last. They were in fact the second 1001+2002. The original 1001+2002 became compressor cars 9001+9002. These two cars lack the "offset top" where the side plating is angled inwards to sit inside the top frame rail. Examination of early publicity photographs shows two cars lacking the offset top numbered 1001+2002 at the factory. All the other compressor cars have the offset top.

Peter
M636C

Yes that's correct as M636C has pointed out, below are a couple of images, taken me a bit to locate, one shows the first two pairs of compresor waggons 9001-9002 and 9003-9004 and the other shows the second inservice pair 1001 and 2002.
You can see the difference in the waggon body and ends as well.



  Toad Montgomery Chief Commissioner

Location: Port Hedland: Team EMU want's YOU!
Roy Hill's five pink ES44ACi units are due to be unloaded from Friday off the vessel BBC Virginia which is due into port overnight tonight.

Also the scrapping of BHP CM40-8M unit 5662 at Gidgi Siding is not far away, Sims Metal has the task.
  Toad Montgomery Chief Commissioner

Location: Port Hedland: Team EMU want's YOU!
Yes it's been a while, but there hasn't been much change...

FMG's ten new standard SD70ACe units 722 to 731 appear to be in service now (arrived February), I've seen three in the last couple of days.
Also FMG are taking delivery of more waggons, this should be the second batch of 124 as 124 were delivered in February for a total of 248 waggons. The appear to again be from CSR Yangtze.
And it looks light marker lights are being fitted to the fleet (only the SD70ACe/LCi units had them in the past), GE units and the SD90 units have been seen with them installed.
And the stored SD90 units 910 to 917 are rumoured for scrapping.





  M636C Minister for Railways

Yes it's been a while, but there hasn't been much change...

FMG's ten new standard SD70ACe units 722 to 731 appear to be in service now (arrived February), I've seen three in the last couple of days.
Also FMG are taking delivery of more waggons, this should be the second batch of 124 as 124 were delivered in February for a total of 248 waggons. The appear to again be from CSR Yangtze.
And it looks light marker lights are being fitted to the fleet (only the SD70ACe/LCi units had them in the past), GE units and the SD90 units have been seen with them installed.
And the stored SD90 units 910 to 917 are rumoured for scrapping.

Toad Montgomery
Toad,

Good to hear from you again...
How is Port Hedland coping with the various restrictions?
I imagine "fly in/fly out" has changed to some extent.

Are the CSR Yangtse wagons like the ones on your website (3005/4006?) with the pressed lower panels?
Is 248 the length of a standard FMG train these days?

What are the numbers of the new wagons that you've seen?

For some reason, possibly due to website or internet problems, your photo isn't showing up, here anyway....

I guess its sad that the SD90MAC-H units are going but they had a longer life than most.

Peter
  Toad Montgomery Chief Commissioner

Location: Port Hedland: Team EMU want's YOU!
Yes it's been a while, but there hasn't been much change...

FMG's ten new standard SD70ACe units 722 to 731 appear to be in service now (arrived February), I've seen three in the last couple of days.
Also FMG are taking delivery of more waggons, this should be the second batch of 124 as 124 were delivered in February for a total of 248 waggons. The appear to again be from CSR Yangtze.
And it looks light marker lights are being fitted to the fleet (only the SD70ACe/LCi units had them in the past), GE units and the SD90 units have been seen with them installed.
And the stored SD90 units 910 to 917 are rumoured for scrapping.

Toad,

Good to hear from you again...
How is Port Hedland coping with the various restrictions?
I imagine "fly in/fly out" has changed to some extent.

Are the CSR Yangtse wagons like the ones on your website (3005/4006?) with the pressed lower panels?
Is 248 the length of a standard FMG train these days?

What are the numbers of the new wagons that you've seen?

For some reason, possibly due to website or internet problems, your photo isn't showing up, here anyway....

I guess its sad that the SD90MAC-H units are going but they had a longer life than most.

Peter
M636C

G'day Peter,

Looks like I had trouble with the link, I've edited the original post so that should show up.
Otherwise a link here:
https://pilbararailways.com.au/blog/uploads/200410_5434.jpg

Numbers I've seen are 9033 in the pic, 10018, 9017, and 7997.

No they are different to the 3005/4006, they are from the 'other' style of CSR waggons with the extra supports at the bottom of the tub.

This style:



Yes the companies has fifo types on extended rosters, like 2 weeks on / 2 weeks off rather than a number of days. Plus I understand there may be no interstate flights. Plus the staff are pretty well contained to the camps when not working.

Train lengths are down to around the 230 mark, and only running two lead power units, I did snap a couple of full trains worth and did shot two videos, but ewwtube isn't playing the game to allow a timely upload, everyone is probably home browsing Railpage i guess!

Cheers,
Toad.

edit- correct car numbers, fat fingers...
  Toad Montgomery Chief Commissioner

Location: Port Hedland: Team EMU want's YOU!
Since I'm having internet issues...

Train lengths:

FMG, out of two empty trains that I videoed, one had 238 waggons, the other had 250.
I'm yet to count photos from a couple of loadeds.

BHP have extended their rake size out to 135 waggons, for 270 with 2 locos - 135 - 2 locos - 135.
  M636C Minister for Railways

Toad,

The photo has appeared correctly this time.... Thanks for the photos and the numbers.

It looks like the numbers run through the high 7xxx/8xxx to the 9xxx/10xxx

I only know of two sets of two wagons to the Yangtse design, the two you saw and an official CSR photo of a car in the 6xxx series at the factory.

I put an article on the FMG cars into Railway Digest fairly recently, I don't know if you still see that magazine.

It sounds like Port Hedland has returned to the situation we had in the 1970s when I worked there....
But we didn't have mobile phones or the internet then.

Peter
  Toad Montgomery Chief Commissioner

Location: Port Hedland: Team EMU want's YOU!
Okay, the waggons delivered in February are 2019 build, CRRC Yangtze, the waggons being delivered this week are 2020 built CRRC Yangtze. I managed a few empty and loaded moves this arvo with the three dumpers back in operation.
Also some of the newly arrived waggons are in service so it was a good time for waggon photography around the 5 km curve.

Waggons seen in service this arvo from the 2020 build were:
10010-9009
10016-9015
10012-9011
8984-7983

Waggons from the 2019 build were:
8864-7863
8718-7717
8972-7971
8976-7975
8968-7967
8910-7909
8858-7857
8970-7969
8900-7899
8954-7953
8930-7929
8962-7961
8912-7911
8880-7879
8942-7941
8908-7907
8932-7931
8878-7877
8894-7893
8862-7861
8876-7875
8896-7895
8928-7927
8884-7883
8854-7853
8898-7897
8948-7947
8926-7925

Now, one other headache with this is some 2018 built waggons again from CRRC Yangtze to the original rubber lined design, these numbers are interlaced with the above 2019 build numbers.
Some examples:
8782-7781
8748-7747
8772-7771
8722-7721

Yes the wife got me a copy of the March edition last week, we no longer have a newsagent in Port, so a trip to South is the only option apart from a subscription.

Yes, Hedland has gone backwards since the 'boom', we have less now than we did in the late 90's even!!

I'll attempt to post some photos in the next day or two if Railpage behaves.
Email might also be easier, toad at pilbararailways.com.au
  Toad Montgomery Chief Commissioner

Location: Port Hedland: Team EMU want's YOU!
Also seen on the 12th April was the specially painted FMG waggon pair 7687 and 8688.
The waggon pair are a CRRC Yangtze 2018 built pair and are lined like the original waggons delivered from CSR Zhuzhou Rolling Stock Works from 2007.

In case the picture won't load below, here's a link:
https://www.pilbararailways.com.au/images/200412_6176.jpg

  Toad Montgomery Chief Commissioner

Location: Port Hedland: Team EMU want's YOU!
Must be new waggon time, BHP is current having 134 new waggons unloaded and delivered by road to the flash butt yard.

Below are a couple of FMG's brand new waggons, 10016 (22.9 tonnes) and 9015 (22.8 tonnes) with the rotary coupler.
In case of image issues, links:
https://www.pilbararailways.com.au/images/200412_5633.jpg
https://www.pilbararailways.com.au/images/200412_5634.jpg





And the builders plate;

  Toad Montgomery Chief Commissioner

Location: Port Hedland: Team EMU want's YOU!
Mismatched waggon pair, both are CSR Yangtze builds, 6968 would be a 2013 built, but the 5967 should be a 2014 build and numbered in the 72xx-74xx series from 2014 build.

https://www.pilbararailways.com.au/images/200412_5921.jpg

  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Right from the start it was envisaged that there would be, sooner or later, so called 'mismatched' FMG wagon pairs and it was for this reason that each wagon was individually numbered. Even on day one there were at least two 'mismatched' pairs.
  Toad Montgomery Chief Commissioner

Location: Port Hedland: Team EMU want's YOU!
Must be new waggon time, BHP is current having 134 new waggons unloaded and delivered by road to the flash butt yard.
Toad Montgomery

The BHP delivery of 134 is part of a 278 waggon order, this should bring the fleet to about 10200 waggons if my tracking is correct.

Article from the Fin Review stating the 278 order:

How BHP changed the way it worked with China during coronavirus by Michael Smith
  Toad Montgomery Chief Commissioner

Location: Port Hedland: Team EMU want's YOU!
Must be new waggon time, BHP is current having 134 new waggons unloaded and delivered by road to the flash butt yard.

The BHP delivery of 134 is part of a 278 waggon order, this should bring the fleet to about 10200 waggons if my tracking is correct.

Article from the Fin Review stating the 278 order:

How BHP changed the way it worked with China during coronavirus by Michael Smith
Toad Montgomery

Now with pic...
https://www.pilbararailways.com.au/images/11505_200422_2758r.jpg

  Hendo Deputy Commissioner

Thank you Toad, Peter et al for keeping this thread alive. I wonder whether we will see any model manufacturer recreate the indigenous artwork FMG wagons.


Cheers,
Hendo
  M636C Minister for Railways

Thank you Toad, Peter et al for keeping this thread alive. I wonder whether we will see any model manufacturer recreate the indigenous artwork FMG wagons.


Cheers,
Hendo
Hendo
There hasn't even been a kit of any Pilbara iron ore wagon yet to my knowledge....

The Bachmann model ore car in N and HO is a model of a USA prototype which was the same as the earliest Hamersley wagons.
Hamersley raised the sides on these but the models weren't too bad overall.

But as far as I know that's all that has been available.

Peter
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Thank you Toad, Peter et al for keeping this thread alive. I wonder whether we will see any model manufacturer recreate the indigenous artwork FMG wagons.


Cheers,
Hendo
Hendo
They'd have to make arrangements with the artist(s) for the right to reproduce there work and since the Pilbara is kind of a niche for modelling, I Doubt it.
  Toad Montgomery Chief Commissioner

Location: Port Hedland: Team EMU want's YOU!
BHP has another eight SD70ACe/LCi units currently being built by Progress Rail at Muncie.
Numbered 4492 - 4499.
Delivery is probably August / Sept.
They are in an all orange livery with large BHP lettering on the hood sides and ends. The colours being very similar if not the same as the Pumpkins delivered back in 2008, but with the new corporate lettering style of just a bold white BHP.

https://www.pilbararailways.com.au/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=14391
  8888 Chief Commissioner

Location: Shire of Mundaring
BHP has another eight SD70ACe/LCi units currently being built by Progress Rail at Muncie.
Numbered 4492 - 4499.
Delivery is probably August / Sept.
They are in an all orange livery with large BHP lettering on the hood sides and ends. The colours being very similar if not the same as the Pumpkins delivered back in 2008, but with the new corporate lettering style of just a bold white BHP.

https://www.pilbararailways.com.au/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=14391
Toad Montgomery
Thanks for the information Toad!

Also word that Rio Tinto are starting construction of a new spur line later this year, with the CD locos to be used and crewed by Watco.
  Toad Montgomery Chief Commissioner

Location: Port Hedland: Team EMU want's YOU!
Some of the CFCLA imported former US ballast waggons used on the original BHP duplication project and called the PACE waggons have been scrapped by and remains have been sighted at Sell & Parker in Wedgefield.

The four CM40-8M units are still at the same yard out near the Speedway with only a handful of the ballast waggons and the rail train set and ballast plough/s.

The BBC Sapphire is due to dock ~1000 hrs in Port Hedland and it is expected to be carrying the new all orange 'corporate liveried' BHP SD70ACe units.
  Toad Montgomery Chief Commissioner

Location: Port Hedland: Team EMU want's YOU!
BHP has had a further six Electro Motive SD70ACe/Lci units delivered via Norfolk, Virginia on the vessel BBC Sapphire.
The six units, 4492 to 4497 were unloaded at the PPA Port Hedland wharf during Tuesday the 18th August 2020.
Built by Progress Rail at Muncie, Indiana in May 2020 all riding on the BHP standard of HTSC-2 bogies.
The units were stored at the PPA hard stand area awaiting delivery to BHP's Nelson Point yard on heavy lift road floats by Mammoet.

This time the actual builders decal list them as SD70ACe/Lci models, normally they just say SD70ACe.


Details of the new units are 22.631 m in length coupler to coupler, which is ~200 mm shorter than the original order from 2005;

4492 serial 20198860-001, hauled in the US as EMDX 1000, 179,087 KG.

4493 serial 20198860-002, hauled in the US as EMDX 1001, 179,483 KG.

4494 serial 20198860-003, hauled in the US as EMDX 1002, 179,445 KG.

4495 serial 20198860-004, hauled in the US as EMDX 1003, 178,727 KG.

4496 serial 20198860-005, hauled in the US as EMDX 1004, 178,908 KG.

4497 serial 20198860-006, hauled in the US as EMDX 1005, 179,115 KG.


Builders decal image:
pilbararailways.com.au/images/4492_200820_3689.jpg



Loco on stands at the PPS hard stand area.
pilbararailways.com.au/images/200819_7012.jpg

  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
How well's BHP coping with the WA Border restrictions impacting their FIFO workforce?

Talking to our roster people we're hurting badly with a lot of people either stuck in NSW/Vic or gone home to Qld and don't want to spend 2 weeks of their annual leave just to quarantine in Perth to get back to work and resume "living" in WA.
  Toad Montgomery Chief Commissioner

Location: Port Hedland: Team EMU want's YOU!
How well's BHP coping with the WA Border restrictions impacting their FIFO workforce?

Talking to our roster people we're hurting badly with a lot of people either stuck in NSW/Vic or gone home to Qld and don't want to spend 2 weeks of their annual leave just to quarantine in Perth to get back to work and resume "living" in WA.
KRviator

I know a lot came over in the beginning and were based in the camp for two weeks prior to being allowed out and working. Then they were working a two weeks on, one week off where they mostly stayed in Perth on the week off.
Some people actually relocated over here and live in company housing, again I'm unsure how many.
I'm unsure how much of that is still going on, as WA still has the two weeks quarantine period for anybody entering the state.
I've not noticed reductions in railings.

On the delivery side of things:
4492 and 4493 were delivered to site on Saturday 22nd around 1130 hrs. They didn't get placed onto rail until Sunday morning.
Then around 1540 hrs on Sunday 4496 and 4494 arrived, unloading again took some time.
The last two should've been delivered and unloaded today, Monday.
Part of the delay could be the use of the self propelled modular platforms which are walked by the operator the 3.5 odd kilometre journey from the PPA wharf to BHP hard stand at Nelson Point. And then having to be walked back again to collect the next.
  Toad Montgomery Chief Commissioner

Location: Port Hedland: Team EMU want's YOU!
Okay a quick up date from around the traps when a quick round trip was undertaken within the last week.

BHP CM40-8M locomotive 5662 is still in the back track at Gidgi Siding, 270 km post.

Former Robe River CM40-8M units that were working at Cape Lambert under Rio are currently stored on the Cape Lambert triangle that leads to the old quarry.
All four units are facing west, from the east end is 9422, 9419, 9418 and 9411.

Former Hamersley Iron C44-9W unit 7093 which suffered cab damage from a load out incident (around March 2019) is stored written off with the two C36-7M units 5051 and 5052 on 38 Road at Seven Mile.

And the locomotives at the Pilbara Railway Historical Society museum whilst still intact are showing signs of weathering and ageing with a lot of broken windows on the former NSWGR carriages and some on the locos.

FMG, not to be out done, have track laid through Rio Tinto gorge on their Eliwanna line which branches off just before the Solomon or Firetail balloon loop next to the Wittenoom - Nanutarra Rd.
FMG C44-9W 003 and re-powered SD90MAC 903 were seen top and tail on a loaded rail train tied down on the beginning of the Eliwanna branch. A later sighting of another loaded rail train had two re-powered SD90MAC units.

The Landgate map viewer (much better resolution than goggle) shows all the stored locos quite clearly except 5562.

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