PN "93" class delveries

 
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Out tonight:

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Is this the first solo run of 93 class only?

Regards
Brian

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  railsymphony Train Controller

Location: Over the rainbow
No, I think the first MS run was the only one that was accompanied by NRs, since then everything else has been 93s alone.
  BDA Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
9306 was hauled dead to Sydney yesterday on 3XW4 .
  bagus70 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Wanting to revisit Australia again.
What kind of creature is this Class 93? Rolling Eyes
  GT46C-ACe Deputy Commissioner

Location: Gold Coast QLD
A quick search reveals that it's a C44ACi from UGL...why the rolling eyes?
  BDA Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Its an updated coal road 92 class .
  GT46C-ACe Deputy Commissioner

Location: Gold Coast QLD
"Jan" factor is?
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
"Jan" factor is?
"GT46C-ACe"


From that Yellow pages ad ......... "Not Happy Jan!"
  Shacks Ghanzel

Location: Sir Big Lens of the Distant Upper Hunter
Its an updated coal road 92 class .
Funnily enough a run in one leaves you with the "Jan" factor ...
"BDA"

So you are saying the 93's are not as good as expected ?
  BDA Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
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  GT46C-ACe Deputy Commissioner

Location: Gold Coast QLD
Well it's not an NR and it hasn't got variable hp functionality so how can BDA like it?

Kidding aside these are seriously meant to in the long term replace the NRs from what they're doing now?
  Typhon Assistant Commissioner

Location: I'm that freight train tearing through the sky in the clouds.
Its an updated coal road 92 class .
Funnily enough a run in one leaves you with the "Jan" factor ...
"BDA"

So you are saying the 93's are not as good as expected ?
"Shacks"


They'll be ok. Few teething issues to sort...I mean who thought having a cut in second brake stand was a good idea?  Twisted Evil



  bagus70 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Wanting to revisit Australia again.
What is actually the difference between 93 and 92 class? Bigger horsepower? More powerful traction motors? Improved system?
  DounutCereal Chief Train Controller

Location: Who knows.
What is actually the difference between 93 and 92 class? Bigger horsepower? More powerful traction motors? Improved system?
"bagus70"


Nothing much externally, I think the 93's have the ECP connections but the main difference is in the software of them. The software in the 93's allows for better running in intermodal where as a 92 has systems that are more suited for where they are now, coal (I think).

Correct me if I'm wrong but it's really just a software upgrade for better handling in intermodal with the possibility for variable horsepower software.
  Shacks Ghanzel

Location: Sir Big Lens of the Distant Upper Hunter
The 92's and CF's have a Notch Limit feature, at a guess, as the 93's are almost identical to the CF's, they would also have this.
  BDA Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Different screens and different software , no hotplate . I get the feeling they are trying to use bits more current in USDM GEs so possibly later computers to run the updated control system . No hotplate
Going to be problems having four screens around the primary driving station which was probably designed for three . Its been suggested that Freight Miser will go back up into the marker/number light access door . Aside from being a distraction you know whos head it lands on if it does the King Leonardo TV thing ... No hotplate .
Word is that ICE display will get a larger font when Victoria cans I think ASW , and can be placed a bit further from the driver ie where Miser is now . 
Going to be a bit like a sound studo with all the clicks beeps and tunes going on around you . No hotplate .
Stuff set up on both sides to run long end leading , very little space round the co drivers seat for luggage . 
Have not had a 92 on a train and the load behind the 93s I had was not really challenging .

Have not had a hot feed on a 93 because that marvel of electrical engineering , yep that spiral glowing element , was flicked in favour of a nuke pit . Not confirmed but rumor is that Gonads reckon they can't or won't use the desktop design found in NRs . Possibly the drain from the NRs hot plate well is challenging ...
Better I think to lose nuke pit and fit - a portable HOT PLATE .
A 45 class has a hot plate and its hard to understand why a MKVI 45ACi doesn't .
And did I say no ... ..... .

Not the opinions of anyone with a HSV FPV ATWD ABN HMVTV or todays paper .
 
  Typhon Assistant Commissioner

Location: I'm that freight train tearing through the sky in the clouds.
Dude, you're gonna get a hotplate!  Razz



  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Dude, you're gonna get a hotplate!  Razz


"Typhon"


I heard that the crews loved the hot plate being removed so much, that they are taking them out of the NR's and every intermodal loco. Razz

*Finishes stirring BDA*

Just a comment you raised BDA, I am curious to see how a microwave pulls less power then an  element. Is it really that noticable in NR's in terms of power drain? Do the 93's cope ok with the LT demand on them?
  Typhon Assistant Commissioner

Location: I'm that freight train tearing through the sky in the clouds.
I think he meant the plumbing, the NR hotplates have a small drain that flows to the well...erm, I dont know exactly where it goes, but it could be a challenge to re-implement if the 93s werent designed for it. 

And when I say 93s, I mean base model C44...the 93s were bought in stock form and require upgrading to meet PN intermodal's (rather lofty) standards .  Razz
  M636C Minister for Railways

What is actually the difference between 93 and 92 class? Bigger horsepower? More powerful traction motors? Improved system?
"bagus70"


The 92 is 3185 kW and the 93 is 3246 kW, at least according to the builder's plates. All locomotives built after the Xstrata XRN class are rated at the higher power.

As far as I know the traction motors are the same.

The documentation gives a continuous tractive effort of 453 kN for the 93 class while the continuous tractive effort of the 92 was said to have been boosted to 500 kN to match the GT46C ACe following the Cowan Bank trials.

M636C
  BDA Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Using 5GEB30s .
453 continuous and 600 starting .
4264 hp or 4354 for units with CCA or Consolidated Control Architecture which these have .
They have SDIS or Smart Display gear .

Will look at 92 specs .
  thadocta Chief Commissioner

Location: Katoomba
Different screens and different software , no hotplate . I get the feeling they are trying to use bits more current in USDM GEs so possibly later computers to run the updated control system . No hotplate
Going to be problems having four screens around the primary driving station which was probably designed for three . Its been suggested that Freight Miser will go back up into the marker/number light access door . Aside from being a distraction you know whos head it lands on if it does the King Leonardo TV thing ... No hotplate .
Word is that ICE display will get a larger font when Victoria cans I think ASW , and can be placed a bit further from the driver ie where Miser is now . 
Going to be a bit like a sound studo with all the clicks beeps and tunes going on around you . No hotplate .
Stuff set up on both sides to run long end leading , very little space round the co drivers seat for luggage . 
Have not had a 92 on a train and the load behind the 93s I had was not really challenging .

Have not had a hot feed on a 93 because that marvel of electrical engineering , yep that spiral glowing element , was flicked in favour of a nuke pit . Not confirmed but rumor is that Gonads reckon they can't or won't use the desktop design found in NRs . Possibly the drain from the NRs hot plate well is challenging ...
Better I think to lose nuke pit and fit - a portable HOT PLATE .
A 45 class has a hot plate and its hard to understand why a MKVI 45ACi doesn't .
And did I say no ... ..... .

Not the opinions of anyone with a HSV FPV ATWD ABN HMVTV or todays paper .
 
"BDA"


Is there a hotplate? Laughing

Dave
  Shacks Ghanzel

Location: Sir Big Lens of the Distant Upper Hunter
NR87 NR57 NR45 9304 & 9303 headed south from Port Waratah at 06:34 this morning.
  alcoworldseries Deputy Commissioner

Location: Auburn
Thought these loco's modern................all other recent loco's have had convection "nuke pits" fitted which fulfill ALL functions of veteran vintage hot plate that also emits radiation..........as does Alternator and traction motors in far greater power output than a microwave will ever emit. Perhaps they should be supplied with a shovel and firehole for traditionalists??
  UP9372 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Banned


Are all you drivers happy with the current car body configuration with that flat front so close to the crew positions unlike the equivalent domestic USA model that has a fairly substantial nose on them. Would the front crew door on the US models cause any concerns? I am not sure how you could fit a domestic US car body into our loading gauge as I was surprised to learn the latest SD70 permutations are 16'6" tall and over 10'6" wide.

Just received my Trains magazine special on those 20 heritage units painted by Norfolk Southern gathered around the turn table at Stirling NC and they look fabo. 

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