Adelaide railway station to close

 
  simont141 Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide
... for up to five weeks. 


ADELAIDE will be plunged into commuter chaos with the closure of the Adelaide Railway Station to all train services for more than a month.


The lengthy shutdown in January will be due to the multimillion-dollar Convention Centre upgrade and electrification of the southern rail network.

The work is expected to impact on the tens of thousands of rail commuters who use the service each day and also severely restrict traffic along the Morphett St Bridge.

Further electrification of the major southern line will also have a major impact on the Noarlunga service.

Adelaidenow understands the suspension of services to the city's major public transport rail hub will begin on January 2 and last up to five weeks.

Train services will continue but terminate at inner city stations and passengers will be bussed into the city.

The Rail, Tram and Bus Union has been briefed by the State Government about the closure.

State secretary Ashley Waddell said he was told by the Transport Department at a meeting in June that "train services won't be running into Adelaide Railway Station" early in the New Year.

Closure of the station as part of the $350 million Convention Centre upgrade will allow cranes to work without compromising safety of trains and passengers passing underneath heavy loads.

"There's a significant amount of work to be undertaken in the Adelaide yard and it will be disruptive to running services into and out of Adelaide," Mr Waddell said.

The department told the union it planned to terminate the northern line trains at the North Adelaide station and the southern services at Goodwood, Mile End or Keswick, Mr Waddell said.

"Passengers will be bussed in from there," he said.

Where western service passengers will disembark has not been decided at the June meeting, Mr Waddell added.

Construction industry sources have also told adelaidenow large scale renovation works would take five weeks and commence from January 2.

The electrification work on the Noarlunga line will see services suspended between the city and the Oaklands Park station and is expected to also begin in January and take several months.
"Adelaide Now"


Oh well, good a time as any to dust off the treadley. 

Sponsored advertisement

  mclaren2007 Assistant Commissioner

Location: recharging my myki
two words sum it up

Nightmare Situation!  ShockedShockedShockedShockedShocked

(at least its not in March  Shocked)
  greasyrhys Chief Commissioner

Location: MacDonald Park, SA
So, Bowden, North Adelaide & Mile End will be terminus stations during the closure? If that's the case then I expect once the train terminates, it will then continue towards the city & use the nearest crossover, then head back to either one of the three mentioned stations for the outbound journey.

Will be interesting (& possibly frustrating) times ahead.
  xdford Chief Train Controller

Actually would there be a need for these stations to be termini? The trains themselves could traverse the Gaol loop and pick up passengers perhaps or is this not an option any more? Belair up trains could become Outer Harbour down trains Gawler up trains could become Noarlunga or wherever down trains perhaps?

Just a thought!

Trevor
  Typhon Assistant Commissioner

Location: I'm that freight train tearing through the sky in the clouds.
Only a single standard gauge line so that isn't an option, unfortunately. 
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Actually would there be a need for these stations to be termini? The trains themselves could traverse the Gaol loop and pick up passengers perhaps or is this not an option any more? Belair up trains could become Outer Harbour down trains Gawler up trains could become Noarlunga or wherever down trains perhaps?

Just a thought!

Trevor
"xdford"


Trevor, The Gaol loop hasn't had a connection on the southern end since the Bakewell Bridge was demolished.

EDIT:- Of note, there is still points etc at Mile End to access the Gaol loop, but no track across the Henley Beach road bridge.

Also remember this closure of the Adelaide station coincides with the planned shutdown of the Noarlunga line for final trackwork upgrades and electrification, as well as the Goodwood Junction upgrade work.

One of the biggest changes will be that the south suburban and main south lines will switch places.
  SAR T186 Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting for the next train to Seaford S.A
Actually would there be a need for these stations to be termini? The trains themselves could traverse the Gaol loop and pick up passengers perhaps or is this not an option any more? Belair up trains could become Outer Harbour down trains Gawler up trains could become Noarlunga or wherever down trains perhaps?

Just a thought!

Trevor
"xdford"


I have heard from a reliable source that works for PTS that the Gaol Loop will be used as a turnback for Outer Harbour and Gawler trains. After the Adelaide yard work is complete the Gaol Loop will be removed for good. Get your photo's while you can. Wink
  GeoffreyHansen Minister for Railways

Location: In a FAM sleeper
Good to hear about the electrification going to reach Adelaide station. 

Excuse my interstate ignorance but would it be possible to transfer passengers onto a tram at Goodwood and send them into the city that way?
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Good to hear about the electrification going to reach Adelaide station. 

Excuse my interstate ignorance but would it be possible to transfer passengers onto a tram at Goodwood and send them into the city that way?
"GeoffreyHansen"


Possible, about a 350m walk to the tram stop from Goodwood station, but trams are often rather full by that point.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

Actually would there be a need for these stations to be termini? The trains themselves could traverse the Gaol loop and pick up passengers perhaps or is this not an option any more? Belair up trains could become Outer Harbour down trains Gawler up trains could become Noarlunga or wherever down trains perhaps?

Just a thought!

Trevor
"xdford"


I have heard from a reliable source that works for PTS that the Gaol Loop will be used as a turnback for Outer Harbour and Gawler trains. After the Adelaide yard work is complete the Gaol Loop will be removed for good. Get your photo's while you can. Wink
"SAR T186"


The Belair trains can turn back at the trailing crossover at the down end of Mile End on the South Suburban. There will be no Noarlunga trains during the station shut down; that would realy be chaos.

The Gaol loop would ultimately be useful for tranfering stock between the southern lines and Dry Creek Depot. but ultimately only if it is electrified.

I have railed before against shut downs.

It just proves that either Adelaide does not need a passenger rail system or the people responsible just don't want to run it. Suggests the electrification is a waste of time and money. I hope not but we are receiving mixed messages.

Regards
Ian
  Heardy_101 Chief Train Controller

Location: Banned
Does (or would) the Gaol Loop serve a purpose eg like Ian said for Electrics (and Diesels) to access Dry Creek without having to go into the main Adelaide yard first? Or will the BG be removed as previously mentioned? Be sad (and unpractical) if it's the latter.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways


I say well done to the Government for organising this so it can get done properly in one short concentrated closure. The alternatives would be far less palatable - either a piecemeal bodge job spread over a whole year or just putting it in the too hard basket.

Doing it all in one go during January is the best way to go, there are no primary, secondary or tertiary students/staff using the system, buses released from running school day only services in the peaks, the largest number of other workers on holidays and a relatively small number of major events in the city (and Adelaide Oval capacity restricted for those which are on) until the Tour Down Under at the end of the month.


I'm going to predict that Mile End will be the terminus for Belair services. Goodwood is not very good for bus access with Goodwood Rd too choked up already, and Keswick does not meet any sort of accessibility standard from the last sixty years. Of course, there is also then the separate issue of the Goodwood underpass construction, that might require a few weekends with Belair trains terminating at Unley Park or Mitcham so as not to delay that project - think about the number of passengers inconvenienced or put off public transport permanently
I have railed before against shut downs.

It just proves that either Adelaide does not need a passenger rail system or the people responsible just don't want to run it. Suggests the electrification is a waste of time and money. I hope not but we are receiving mixed messages.
"steam4ian"

Bullsh1t, what it proves is that we finally have a Government that wants to do a proper job of dragging our system into at least the 20th century and fixing the chronic investment backlog of the last twenty years. A short period of Adelaide Station being shut down is infinitely preferable to the old Liberal Governments' approach of 'solving' an infrastructure problem by plonking down a permanent 'temporary' speed restriction sign and ignoring it. If we had regular (but short) periods of some sections being out of action for routine maintenance then we would not have needed such major projects as we've had over the last five years.

Does (or would) the Gaol Loop serve a purpose eg like Ian said for Electrics (and Diesels) to access Dry Creek without having to go into the main Adelaide yard first? Or will the BG be removed as previously mentioned? Be sad (and unpractical) if it's the latter.
"Heardy_101"

No. Railcars or EMUs from the southern lines can go to the depot after terminating a service at Adelaide, we don't need that loop which takes up space that would be better used for easing the radius of the standard gauge curve to make freight more efficient. That surely can't be beyond the abilities of the trained monkeys setting the service diagrams?
  verbatim9 Beginner

"Doing it all in one go during January is the best way to go, there are no primary, secondary or tertiary students/staff using the system, buses released from running school day only services in the peaks, the largest number of other workers on holidays and a relatively small number of major events in the city (and Adelaide Oval capacity restricted for those which are on) until the Tour Down Under at the end of the month."

Hopefully they will complete all the electrical wiring on all the platforms to prevent future disruptions at the station. Despite the closure stated in the paper and other media outlets the government should also communicate alternative transport well in advance as what Perth did this weekend on the Transperth website with a Progress in Works video also outlining alternative transport. http://www.pta.wa.gov.au/perthcitylink/Videos/tabid/548/language/en-US/Default.aspx
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

Justapassenger

I quote "Bullsh1t, what it proves is that we finally have a Government that wants to do a proper job of dragging our system into at least the 20th century and fixing the chronic investment backlog of the last twenty years. A short period of Adelaide Station being shut down is infinitely preferable to the old Liberal Governments' approach of 'solving' an infrastructure problem by plonking down a permanent 'temporary' speed restriction sign and ignoring it. If we had regular (but short) periods of some sections being out of action for routine maintenance then we would not have needed such major projects as we've had over the last five years."

Forgetting the political retoric my comments are based on coming from an era when Professional Engineers prided themselves on getting projects completed without interrruption to the process or persons affected.
I recall in the book "WA Webb" how a bridge was changed out between Overlands, it involved significant demolition etc. The engineer got it wrong and the OL was delayed, he tendered his resignation next morning.

Thankfully the closing of ARS is at present scheduled for 1 month.  Compare this with some bridges over the Southern expressway which have been closed since May with no or little work yet taking place which would justify their closure.

Unfortunately you have spouted the usual OHS and risk averse retoric which is common these days. I am not decrying safety and it's management, it is just that people are not properly assessing the actual risks. A typical case is based on a current project of mine. The client has spent lots of money providing switchgear which will fully contain any fault event inside such that persons can operate the gear and will not get injured if it fails. Some other group has decided that high voltage switchgear, irrespective of type, is dangerous therefore nobody can go in the switchroom to operate the gear.

I am disappointed that it is just too easy to cancel rail services in Adelaide, what appears to be important is being seen to have done something rather than providing a service.

I doubt that much "electrifcation" works will be done in the shutdown; wait for more. (cynic I am)

Regards
Ian
  hosk1956 Deputy Commissioner

Location: no where near gunzels
Justapassenger

I doubt that much "electrifcation" works will be done in the shutdown; wait for more. (cynic I am)

Regards
Ian
"steam4ian"


We know, you have proven that many times.

Wayne



  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
Some time ago SBS showed a documentary on New York Grand Central Station which, by 1914 or thereabouts, was nearing capacity.

New York Central Railroad both improved capacity and under-grounded the 4 track approach to the station without any traffic interruption.

If it could be done 100 years ago on a much busier system why can't it be done now in Adelaide on a relatively quiet system?
  Tonsley213 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Everywhere except South Kensington
OHW&S is why it cannot be done, now days you can't even sneeze on a job site without filling out an incident report.
  Seldom_21 Junior Train Controller

Location: South Australia
Wouldn't it have made much more sense to do all the work re. the noarlunga line when it was closed the first time? Would have saved the hassle for passengers. One closure, all done. I guess there must have been "reasonable grounds" for not performing this task in one hit.

However, I too must commend the Govt. for doing it at this time. It does make sense to do it at that time. School isnt back, so people who dont want to use buses or substitutes can drive into work due to lack of school traffic.


  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Wouldn't it have made much more sense to do all the work re. the noarlunga line when it was closed the first time? Would have saved the hassle for passengers. One closure, all done. I guess there must have been "reasonable grounds" for not performing this task in one hit.
"Seldom_21"


Most likely reason would be that funding for the Goodwood Junction grade seperation had not been finalised.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

Some time ago SBS showed a documentary on New York Grand Central Station which, by 1914 or thereabouts, was nearing capacity.

New York Central Railroad both improved capacity and under-grounded the 4 track approach to the station without any traffic interruption.

If it could be done 100 years ago on a much busier system why can't it be done now in Adelaide on a relatively quiet system?
"kipioneer"


Neil

How many were killed or maimed doing the work? I don't think the OHS&W report was that good.

I agree that it can be done, with modern machinery, not steam shovels etc, it would be easier now. Oh I forgot, those railways were important and the honour of the management and their reputation to the traveller and responsibility to the shareholders was at stake.

The OHW&S excuse just means they haven't though about it enough and that the job is not that important to warrant the thought. Granny engineering, Grrrr!!!!!!

Gov't attitude "Stuff the public, we want shiny trains to get votes, nobody will use them anyway but they will look good, then we have an excuse for not widening roads and alienate voters by knocking down houses"

These fora should be discussing how things can, might and even should be done not hiding behind lame excuses.

Regards
Ian

No houses were damaged in this response.
No workers were maimed or injured in the production of this reply. (not that I am endorsing that they should be)
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Wouldn't it have made much more sense to do all the work re. the noarlunga line when it was closed the first time? Would have saved the hassle for passengers. One closure, all done. I guess there must have been "reasonable grounds" for not performing this task in one hit.
"Seldom_21"

The government ran out of fairy dust.

Budget and cash flow. 
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Forgetting the political retoric my comments are based on coming from an era when Professional Engineers prided themselves on getting projects completed without interrruption to the process or persons affected.
I recall in the book "WA Webb" how a bridge was changed out between Overlands, it involved significant demolition etc. The engineer got it wrong and the OL was delayed, he tendered his resignation next morning.
"steam4ian"


That is close to true, but what is more true is that he was a junior engineer who went against a more senior engineer (who it just happened helped build the original bridge) telling Webb that it could be done between Overland passes. When job was not completed he silently placed his resignation on Webb's desk, not so much because he was ashamed of the delay, but because he had a great fear of Webb's wrath!
  Scooter_Guy Chief Train Controller

Location: Adelaide, SA. Suburb: Redwood Park
Will this mean the Mercedes-Benz buses that formerly ran on the O-Bahn be used as 'Rail Subs' once more?
  sol Assistant Commissioner

Location: Evanston Gardens SA

However, I too must commend the Govt. for doing it at this time. It does make sense to do it at that time. School isnt back, so people who dont want to use buses or substitutes can drive into work due to lack of school traffic.

"Seldom_21"


The main drawback with driving to work into the City is parking !!!
I suspect the big majority of people travelling to the city are those who work in the city.

But true, January would have less people on the trains.
  Fleepo Station Staff

Location: Adelaide
Some time ago SBS showed a documentary on New York Grand Central Station which, by 1914 or thereabouts, was nearing capacity.

New York Central Railroad both improved capacity and under-grounded the 4 track approach to the station without any traffic interruption.

If it could be done 100 years ago on a much busier system why can't it be done now in Adelaide on a relatively quiet system?
"kipioneer"


Neil

How many were killed or maimed doing the work? I don't think the OHS&W report was that good.

I agree that it can be done, with modern machinery, not steam shovels etc, it would be easier now. Oh I forgot, those railways were important and the honour of the management and their reputation to the traveller and responsibility to the shareholders was at stake.

The OHW&S excuse just means they haven't though about it enough and that the job is not that important to warrant the thought. Granny engineering, Grrrr!!!!!!

Gov't attitude "Stuff the public, we want shiny trains to get votes, nobody will use them anyway but they will look good, then we have an excuse for not widening roads and alienate voters by knocking down houses"

These fora should be discussing how things can, might and even should be done not hiding behind lame excuses.

Regards
Ian

No houses were damaged in this response.
No workers were maimed or injured in the production of this reply. (not that I am endorsing that they should be)
"steam4ian"


Never mind New York - In the 80's they managed to upgrade Adelaide railway station; rebuilding all the platforms, plus the convention centre and hotel on top - without shutting down the station.

Sure, OH&S regulations etc moved on since the 80's but this does sound like a cop-out to me. 



Sponsored advertisement

Display from:   

Quick Reply

We've disabled Quick Reply for this thread as it was last updated more than six months ago.