Oops, they've done it again

 
  lkernan Chief Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Another off, this time at Kimberley.

http://www.examiner.com.au/story/2840199/train-derailed-in-north-west/?cs=95

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  JoppaJunction Chief Train Controller

Location: Banned
Any idea on the locomotives?
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Sad, TasRail and most of their people deserve better.
  Z1NorthernProgress2110 Chief Commissioner

Location: Burnie, Tasmania
Locos fine. Its at Merseylea actually. Seems a concrete culvert is the issue
  8077 Chief Train Controller

Location: Crossing the Rubicon
Locos fine. Its at Merseylea actually. Seems a concrete culvert is the issue
Z1NorthernProgress2110

Tasrail have been on an uphill battle since PN left a wasteland down there.

Let's all hope they can get through this.  Notice in the article they seem to suggest a better train control system is the answer?

I cannot see how.  Driver training?  Infrastructure?  They have already spent a lot on the track.
  lkernan Chief Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Tasrail have been on an uphill battle since PN left a wasteland down there.

Let's all hope they can get through this.  Notice in the article they seem to suggest a better train control system is the answer?

I cannot see how.  Driver training?  Infrastructure?  They have already spent a lot on the track.
8077

They've spent a lot on the train control system as well, hence the need to mention it to the public at every opportunity.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
With the low volume of trains in Tasmania perhaps the money jnvested in new network control might have been better invested in track maintenance.

Customers do not care about fancy train management systems. They do care about the state of their goods.
  Z1NorthernProgress2110 Chief Commissioner

Location: Burnie, Tasmania
Low volume? Typical from a person that hasn't been down here and had a look.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
No disrespect intended. Comparing to the network task of ARTC for example. Merely questioning the investment at this point in time.

Was this a priority or would the money have been better spent in growing the business and then moving to some level of automation ?
  i_know_nothing Train Controller

It is very much low volume, unfortunately
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
No disrespect intended. Comparing to the network task of ARTC for example. Merely questioning the investment at this point in time.

Was this a priority or would the money have been better spent in growing the business and then moving to some level of automation ?
freightgate
Better spent on the track ?
  tasrail2100 Chief Commissioner

Location: Brisbane, Queensland.
Low volume? Typical from a person that hasn't been down here and had a look.
Z1NorthernProgress2110

Really low volume!

In saying that the new train control system should have flow-on benefits to track maintenance, I believe the old TWs could be a bit restrictive in this regard.  You could always argue money should be spent elsewhere, but there's no denying for the railway to move forward investment in the safeworking system was needed.
  new_guy Station Master

At the risk of sounding defensive....


1.  We estimate we are the single largest freight operator in the State in terms of volume of freight carried.

2.  In a national context, the Tasmanian road freight network is also low volume (very, very low on some corridors), and as we know road freight is supported by hidden subsidies.

3.  Without the efficiencies that rail freight transport provides, it is our view that key industries in the State would be facing even further difficulties.  Rail provides efficient land transport in the State for most key industries, and with efficient customer and port interfaces (which we now have/are further developing), the whole "short-haul" question becomes  largely irrelevant.

4.  Around 95% of our freight task is now locked up in medium to long-term contracts - never before has this been the case.

5.  Our freight operations are planned to make a sustainable return (remembering that we've only just got all of our new kit and only just starting to generate the anticipated efficiencies).

6.  Not unlike the road network, we do not expect our track maintenance activities to make a profit.  It is a piece of critical economic infrastructure for the State.  However, based on analysis that we've commissioned, the ~$16m annual grant received for track maintenance provides a positive return to the State (when one considers rail access fees paid by freight operations, road trauma costs (ten times less than road), avoid road maintenance costs, avoid road investment costs, environmental costs, etc).

7.  The train control system (ANCS) is not some fancy bit of trickery - we previously had system of safeworking that was extremely susceptible to human error (and many near-miss & real incidents to prove it!) - we now have a system that provides safeworking protection for both trackworkers and trains (no other integrated system in Australia does this), high visibility of activities, and if it had been in place on the south line at the time most likely would have prevented the recent Colebrook derailment (overspeed alarms generated well in advance of there being an issue).  It also provides improved track maintenance productivity, improved service reliability, and a data platform for us to implement customer consignment tracking, wayside asset management systems, etc.

8.  ANCS cost us $11m - relatively "cheap" when it comes to train control systems.  Yes, we need to spend more money on track (much, much more), however, an additional $11m on the track simply isn't going to provide the same step-change in capability as ANCS has/will do.

9.  Something like 99.98% of our customers consignments arrive damage free.  Our customers' freight on our premium services now arrives +98% on-time.  Access to our network has been affected by derailments for something like 0.1% of the time over the past few years.  Unfortunately, due to the dare I say "spectacular" nature of derailments, people will focus on the negative rather than the real impact on business and safety (as opposed to the astoundingly little scrutiny and interest in road transport accidents (even fatal ones).  And remember, road freight accident costs are ten times that of freight rail.


So, derailments are a pain in the backside and we'll continue to do everything possible to prevent them, but there really are many more positives happening with Tasmania's rail system than what gets reported.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Isn't it great to get a logical, reasoned, professional, spin free and HONEST response from someone who knows his stuff.
TasRail deserves to succeed and I wish them well.
Good luck - keep it up.
Regards
YM
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
there really are many more positives happening with Tasmania's rail system than what gets reported.
new_guy


Well done! Can you tell Queensland how to do it please?

Isn't it great to get a logical, reasoned, professional, spin free and HONEST response from someone who knows his stuff.
YM-Mundrabilla


Absolutely!
  djukinX1016 Deputy Commissioner

Having just got back from Tasmania, the positive changes in the year since our last visit was impressive, yes the old locos and wagons have gone but there is new locos, wagons, plenty of new track and sleepers in place and Brighton up and running. All the very best for the future Tasrail.

Regards
Phil
  12CSVT Chief Commissioner

Location: Drowning in accreditation red tape!
At the risk of sounding defensive....
new_guy
No not at all defensive Damian - some great well thought out points made there and I'm sure you have relayed those excellent arguments (esp. about the road subsidies) to Minister Hidding. Thing is, did any of that argument register with him, or did his pro-road DIER minders dismiss your points to him after you left?
  BP4417 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Launceston, Tasmania
No not at all defensive Damian - some great well thought out points made there and I'm sure you have relayed those excellent arguments (esp. about the road subsidies) to Minister Hidding. Thing is, did any of that argument register with him, or did his pro-road DIER minders dismiss your points to him after you left?
12CSVT
Steve, you forgot to include the President of the State Branch of the Liberal Party is a Road Transport Owner, Operator who believes the financial injection into rail should go into road infrastructure.
  i_know_nothing Train Controller

The number of containers splattered compared to numbers carried would be somewhat higher than road transport? Not many trucks carrying containers seem to be falling on their heads. More humans involved in trucking, but fewer human errors? This is how ruling elites and common plebs will see it anyway.
  BP4417 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Launceston, Tasmania
The number of containers splattered compared to numbers carried would be somewhat higher than road transport? Not many trucks carrying containers seem to be falling on their heads. More humans involved in trucking, but fewer human errors? This is how ruling elites and common plebs will see it anyway.
i_know_nothing
Lately there has been at least one heavy vehicle incident a week
  i_know_nothing Train Controller

Might be worth reporting them on here, so at least we know the numbers.

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