Do you think station staff should wear hi-vis vest while flagging trains?

 
  smithagain Junior Train Controller

Management are determined to stop staff from wearing the hi-vis vest while flagging trains. It was all set to be implemented from last weekend but the union stepped in at the last minute and put a stop to it. Sanity wins out! For now.

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  JoppaJunction Chief Train Controller

Location: Banned
Management are determined to stop staff from wearing the hi-vis vest while flagging trains. It was all set to be implemented from last weekend but the union stepped in at the last minute and put a stop to it. Sanity wins out! For now.
smithagain

Obviously the drivers are not requsting the change.

Why would Sydneytrains want this change?
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Not too familiar with Sydney on this one but at these the platform people with the the flags ?

They never leave the platform.

What is the situation in Melbourne ? Do platform staff wear hi viz ?
  smithagain Junior Train Controller

Obviously the drivers are not requsting the change.

Why would Sydneytrains want this change?
JopaJunction
Actual real reasons given by Sydney Trains management for the change………………


-          -- To make it easier for customers to see our uniform and identify us.

-         --  Because a large number of customers also wear hi-vis clothing making it very challenging to identify staff.

-          -- The varying heights of staff make it difficult for them to be seen on crowded platforms.
  Aurora8 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Sydney
The trial is going ahead at seven stations starting next Sunday.
  Throughwestmail Train Controller

Obviously the drivers are not requsting the change.

Why would Sydneytrains want this change?
JopaJunction
What does it have to do with drivers???
  michaelgreenhill Administrator That's Numberwang!

Location: Melbourne
What does it have to do with drivers???
Throughwestmail
The argument could be made that the high vis makes it easier for the driver to identify station staff/guards.
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
It seems Sydneytrains can make a convincing argument to the contrary as per the reasons highlighted by 'smithagain'
  Aurora8 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Think they mean guards.
  smithagain Junior Train Controller

Their reasons are bizarre. They think shorter staff (I presume this is what they mean by "varying heights") will be easier to see without hi-vis??!!! What the? Shocked

If they are worried about being mistaken for other customers wearing hi-vis all they have to do is redesign our current hi-vis with a bloody great big Sydney Trains logo on it.

In the end all management want to do is show off the uniform and bugger safety.
  smithagain Junior Train Controller

The trial is going ahead at seven stations starting next Sunday.
Aurora8
I'm just hoping that guards feedback will be taken into account. Because ultimately it's the guards opinions that matter the most in this situation.
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
If Sydneytrains think the flag-waving staff are difficult to identify, then perhaps the answer is to devise a more visible system, rather than just the clothing visibility. Perhaps a paddle like that used on school crossings with high intensity LEDs on it would be more visible than an outdated flag.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Doesn't make any sense to me. As has already been said the reasons given seem bizarre.
Melbourne platform staff wear high vis train proof jackets.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Having used SRA/Cityrail of old and seen similar in QR land where there is no safety vest used. I do question on a crowded platform how valuable the safety vest is when everything these days is becoming more yellow it is losing its meaning. I've never had a probably spotting the person with the flag and blowing a whistle. I agree with above posted the days of holding a flag is behind us. Use a strobe light.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Having used SRA/Cityrail of old and seen similar in QR land where there is no safety vest used. I do question on a crowded platform how valuable the safety vest is when everything these days is becoming more yellow it is losing its meaning. I've never had a probably spotting the person with the flag and blowing a whistle. I agree with above posted the days of holding a flag is behind us. Use a strobe light.
  Blackadder Chief Commissioner

Location: Not the ECRL
I'm just hoping that guards feedback will be taken into account. Because ultimately it's the guards opinions that matter the most in this situation.
smithagain
Just like the feedback was taken into account for the new uniforms.
  Blackadder Chief Commissioner

Location: Not the ECRL
As mentioned by the Union in there objections to the trial, safety is now ranked behind On time running and looking good in the unifrom. Evil or Very Mad
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
Platform staff apparently need to give signal to driver so maybe remember microchips plus radio signal transmitters have been invented; Maybe consider an LED display at front of platform operated by platform staff using a remote hand held control device. Ask a 12 year old computer enthusiast  to design it on a rainy Saturday afternoon.
  apw5910 Chief Commissioner

Location: Location: Location.
Melbourne platform staff wear high vis train proof jackets.
YM-Mundrabilla
Do trains just bounce off them, then?
  ssaunders Chief Train Controller

Hi vis on station staff looks chat. Get rid of it.

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  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Do trains just bounce off them, then?
apw5910
Yes that is what they are for isn't it?
They also have the added benefits of imparting a sense of importance to the wearer coupled with making them invisible to passengers in times of disruption.Smile
  Throughwestmail Train Controller

The argument could be made that the high vis makes it easier for the driver to identify station staff/guards.
michaelgreenhill
The guard is 200 metres behind the driver, so why would he need to see him? They have intercoms to talk to each other.
  Throughwestmail Train Controller

Platform staff apparently need to give signal to driver so maybe remember microchips plus radio signal transmitters have been invented; Maybe consider an LED display at front of platform operated by platform staff using a remote hand held control device. Ask a 12 year old computer enthusiast  to design it on a rainy Saturday afternoon.
petan
In Sydney, platform staff do not give any signals to the driver. The R O W staff are on the platform to advise the guard that it is ok for him to close the doors and give the driver the bell signal to leave the platform. I think the 12 year olds are already involved in this thread.
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
In Sydney, platform staff do not give any signals to the driver. The R O W staff are on the platform to advise the guard that it is ok for him to close the doors and give the driver the bell signal to leave the platform. I think the 12 year olds are already involved in this thread.
Throughwestmail
A slight correction/addition to avoid confusion (perhaps I'm being pedantic). The station staff will show a driver a green flag for a locomotive hauled train (such as the heritage trains that run from Sydney Terminal). The procedure goes something like this (spoken from the viewpoint of a layperson, not as heritage train crew):

CSA blows whistle and shows guard white flag.
Guard blows whistle and shows green flag.
CSA "repeats" green flag to driver (curved platforms, people obstructing the view from the drivers cab to back of train). Driver departs when safe to do so. Typically the guards these days also give their right of way by radio, but I have seen the flags used on multiple occasions.

I seriously doubt that this procedure is a major factor in the trial though, so certainly it's more about guard visibility of ROW staff than suburban/intercity drivers.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

A slight correction/addition to avoid confusion (perhaps I'm being pedantic). The station staff will show a driver a green flag for a locomotive hauled train (such as the heritage trains that run from Sydney Terminal). The procedure goes something like this (spoken from the viewpoint of a layperson, not as heritage train crew):

CSA blows whistle and shows guard white flag.
Guard blows whistle and shows green flag.
CSA "repeats" green flag to driver (curved platforms, people obstructing the view from the drivers cab to back of train). Driver departs when safe to do so. Typically the guards these days also give their right of way by radio, but I have seen the flags used on multiple occasions.

I seriously doubt that this procedure is a major factor in the trial though, so certainly it's more about guard visibility of ROW staff than suburban/intercity drivers.
Raichase
Only qualified CSAs can display green flags. Some CSAs also carry out on board repeater duties when trains are built up to 8 cars on the Blue Mountains and Illawarra lines.  In those circumstances a high vis vest is useful, particularly at night as the guard can easily identify the repeater. NSW Trains is not so adamant about dropping hi vis vests because conditions are very different on their routes.

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