Kingaroy thermal coal mine looks to reopen the Theebine to Kingaroy Branch

 
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

Thermal coal prices are way up this year and all of the China Boom coal mine proposals are coming back out of the woodwork. Here's the latest proposal to hit the headlines with the possibility of the Kingaroy Branch - closed in 2009 and since mostly lifted - will need to be rebuilt and reopened. The proposed mine will have a 5-million tonne per annum output for 30 years and will be located in the vicinity of the long closed Kingaroy-Tarong branch.


http://www.gympietimes.com.au/news/proposed-mine-could-see-the-return-of-kingaroy-rai/3105332/?ref=hs

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  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
The article seems to show more concern for the future of the Dickabram bridge. If (and I suspect that's a very big "if") the line were to be relaid and carry coal trains I suspect a new bridge would be required. There would likely be no need to remove the old bridge.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
I await the out cry, the Australian govt has no vision for rail, Kingaroy branch lifted too soon etc. Ignore the facts that the old line was not suited for moving a load of apples more than once a week. A coal train will have an axle load twice the weight and double the length.
  GrahamH Chief Commissioner

Location: At a terminal on the www.
Yeah right... A story designed to raise blood pressure and to lay the foundation for more blood pressure raising stories. It's good for sales.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
I await the out cry, the Australian govt has no vision for rail, Kingaroy branch lifted too soon etc. Ignore the facts that the old line was not suited for moving a load of apples more than once a week. A coal train will have an axle load twice the weight and double the length.
RTT_Rules
A load of peanuts a week from Atherton I believe was one of the last traffic to use the line.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
I await the out cry, the Australian govt has no vision for rail, Kingaroy branch lifted too soon etc. Ignore the facts that the old line was not suited for moving a load of apples more than once a week. A coal train will have an axle load twice the weight and double the length.
A load of peanuts a week from Atherton I believe was one of the last traffic to use the line.
Nightfire

Err...unlikely from Atherton which is over 500Km from the Kingaroy branch where the peanuts are grown.

Mike.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Yes Atherton up on the Atherton tablelands
  GrahamH Chief Commissioner

Location: At a terminal on the www.
I await the out cry, the Australian govt has no vision for rail, Kingaroy branch lifted too soon etc. Ignore the facts that the old line was not suited for moving a load of apples more than once a week. A coal train will have an axle load twice the weight and double the length.
A load of peanuts a week from Atherton I believe was one of the last traffic to use the line.

Err...unlikely from Atherton which is over 500Km from the Kingaroy branch where the peanuts are grown.

Mike.
The Vinelander
Err... Umh... more like 1500Km. Smile
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
I await the out cry, the Australian govt has no vision for rail, Kingaroy branch lifted too soon etc. Ignore the facts that the old line was not suited for moving a load of apples more than once a week. A coal train will have an axle load twice the weight and double the length.
RTT_Rules

Perhaps just a continued lack of insight akin to Victoria?
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

Peanuts from Tolga on the Atherton branch was indeed the last traffic to Kingaroy in October 2005, and the last traffic on the Atherton branch. Cattle trains to Murgon ran for a couple more years.
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
a load of apples more than once a week.
RTT_Rules
I don't recall apples ever being transported on the Kingaroy line, happy to stand corrected though!
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Apples were last railed from Stanthorpe to Golden Circle at Northgate
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
Apples were last railed from Stanthorpe to Golden Circle at Northgate
Nightfire
It would have actually been from The Summit, not Stanthorpe, but how is this relevant to the Kingaroy line?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Do you ever see a road being toen up when a truck is not using it for a period?
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
Do you ever see a road being toen up when a truck is not using it for a period?
bevans
Unused railway lines are not economical to maintain to usable standard. Roads only need to be maintained to a standard suited to their usage pattern. Hope this makes sense!
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
a load of apples more than once a week.
I don't recall apples ever being transported on the Kingaroy line, happy to stand corrected though!
Graham4405
Figure of speech, peanuts or what ever it was
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Do you ever see a road being toen up when a truck is not using it for a period?
Unused railway lines are not economical to maintain to usable standard. Roads only need to be maintained to a standard suited to their usage pattern. Hope this makes sense!
Graham4405
Roads are used by cars and even in poor state can be negotiated and easily repaired to make passable.  Rail does not
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Do you ever see a road being toen up when a truck is not using it for a period?
Unused railway lines are not economical to maintain to usable standard. Roads only need to be maintained to a standard suited to their usage pattern. Hope this makes sense!
Roads are used by cars and even in poor state can be negotiated and easily repaired to make passable.  Rail does not
RTT_Rules

These are not valid reasons for the wholesale removal of railway infrastructure which costs very little to minimally maintain.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

Do you ever see a road being toen up when a truck is not using it for a period?
Unused railway lines are not economical to maintain to usable standard. Roads only need to be maintained to a standard suited to their usage pattern. Hope this makes sense!
Roads are used by cars and even in poor state can be negotiated and easily repaired to make passable.  Rail does not

These are not valid reasons for the wholesale removal of railway infrastructure which costs very little to minimally maintain.
bevans
To haul coal wholesale removal and replacement will be necessary, so what is the problem? Saves the trouble of ripping up the sub-standard rail infrastructure.
  tazzer96 Chief Commissioner

Will the coal even be exported?
Will it even need to be railed anywhere, or will it be used at the various tarong power stations?
  fred59 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Boonah
The line was only removed 3 to 4 years, including all inforstructure, what a waste of tax payers money

The line is now a rail trail.

Yes the old line needed upgrading to carry heavier traffic, the railway formation would need upgrading as well if the line was relaid to haul coal traffic.

There is a lot of areas on the old line that had very tite curves(including the kimbombie ranges) and very in accessible, to roads for maintainance  

If the line was renstated , a lot of the tite curves would have to be easied. Lots of big bridges would have to be rebuilt, as they were removed 3 to 4 years ago , lots of level crossing would,have to be restated or eliminated
  tazzer96 Chief Commissioner

The kingaroy branch had a very low axle load. (10.62 TAL according to QR)   Not including dickabram bridge, which when i rode over it about 5 years ago for a charity bike rode, i was truly amazed how it even held a train, i later found out the 7kph speed limit. The structural engineer in me says the govt is too cheap to pay for a new bridge but closing it means political outrage.  7kph is bridge destined for demolition.   I could feel it move under about 20 bicycle riders.  

Although the line had a 50kph maximum, around half of it was at 40kph, and about 40% was less than 30kph.  It also had very short loops (but a few of them) and it was all manual train orders.

This is a line in which i have no problem with them removing the track, simply because if they ever wanted to run something on it again, they would have to relay the entire line, with some deviations and a new bridge over the mary river.



With regards to the level crossings, the qr information pack says that only 7 with flashing lights and many LX's had speed limits imposed.
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
Will the coal even be exported?
Will it even need to be railed anywhere, or will it be used at the various tarong power stations?
tazzer96
Will the mine ever eventuate? Remember the super huge mine touted for Wandoan a few years back?
  tazzer96 Chief Commissioner

Will the coal even be exported?
Will it even need to be railed anywhere, or will it be used at the various tarong power stations?
Will the mine ever eventuate? Remember the super huge mine touted for Wandoan a few years back?
Graham4405
Its two different situations.   Wandoan would have mainly been for export.     The meandu mine (the one that supplies the tarong stations) doesn't have many years left in it.  While stanwell group also own another coal reserve nearby, it appears to be uneconomical for straight coal mining.  

My personal view is that no more thermal coal mines should be allowed to open in australia.  Only mines for metallurgical grade coal should be allowed to be be constructed.  
We need to be moving towards better electricity production methods.  And also this would allow australia to diversify its exports.   Its scary how much australia depends upon coal.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Do you ever see a road being toen up when a truck is not using it for a period?
Unused railway lines are not economical to maintain to usable standard. Roads only need to be maintained to a standard suited to their usage pattern. Hope this makes sense!
Roads are used by cars and even in poor state can be negotiated and easily repaired to make passable.  Rail does not

These are not valid reasons for the wholesale removal of railway infrastructure which costs very little to minimally maintain.
bevans
Bevans I think you have your pro-rail googles on too tight for this one.

- If big industry left its unused infrastructure lying around all over the place providing no ongoing maintenance or even weed control, there would be hell to pay. These days if private enterprise is to build its own railway, by law it must remove it at end of life unless there is a viable operator willing to take it over. Everything these days is return to green.
- NSW has done just what you said and where has it been of benefit?
- While the line is still serviceable, the cost of removal is a fraction of the price than once it has fallen into disrepair, ie sleepers rotten, wash aways etc
- The former ROW is now a rail trail (I believe), providing the taxpayers with an asset, not a snake infested, weed spreading eyesore. Not everyone appreciates walking abandoned railway lines, nor is it a piece of history for preservation.
- Very few roads or sections of get so unused as to have zero traffic and those that do are these days usually being removed and green spaced.
-  The existence of railway infrastructure does not translate into a viable railway line just because its there. If the mine proceeds they will want 20t axle load, avoid 1:40 loaded grades and certainly no tight bends. The old track was light, bolted on timber sleepers with basically minimal ballast. Every town has multiple LX etc etc, small passing loops. A 10-20mtpa coal mine with 30 year mine life will generate sufficient revenues to fund something they can actually use, ie 20t axle load, 1000m plus trains, moderate grades and curves. Look up the history for the Rolleston Branch, 8mtpa paid for 110km of green field railway.

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