Well this thread was born from a great foamy mess, but here I go anyway...
[quote=MetroFemme]Take the time to look at the traffic volumes now between Melbourne and Adelaide and number of wagons and you will see volumes have fallen since the conversion of broad gauge between the cities. On conversion metro traffic delivery was also lost to road post conversion as also happened in Melbourne. Has the conversion been good for traffic? [/quote]
This is intangible. There is no way to know what state the Victorian BG freight network would be in right now if the Western Standard Gauge hadn't been built in 1995.
Yes there may have been greater volumes of freight then, but who's to say that if the line wasn't converted there would be less traffic then what we are currently seeing. The reality is it isn't possible to say either way.
[quote=InlandSailor]how much of rural Victoria, ie not Metro, will be SG and how much BG will remain to be converted when the Murray Basin is completed? What project[s] will follow? [ie Inglewood- Bendigo] When? [/quote]
While nothing is certain after the current projects, the likelyhood is next will be all lines north of Seymour, so that's Seymour - Tocumwal, Toolamba - Echuca, Echuca - Deniliquin, with the possible addition of the Dookie and Moulamein branches. Bendigo - Echuca will remain BG for V/Line Pass for the foreseeable future.
I wouldn't hold my breath on Inglewood - Eaglehawk, that will happen only if there is guaranteed interest from a significant freight customer (ie:- a company, not a local council with grand plans for another intermodal) who is good at lobbying both federal & state government.
Long term though (and I mean long term) there is no real reason to think anything past the V/Line commuter (Waurn Ponds, Wendouree, Eaglehawk/Epsom, Seymour and Traralgon) belt can't be easily converted with the possible exception of Bairnsdale. V/Line have plans for a long distance DMU based on the Vlocity, these are to come into service on both gauges, and if Geelong, Ballarat, Bendigo and Seymour were to be serviced by both gauges, then yes, past those commuter towns all lines could be converted to SG. Geelong and Seymour currently have both gauges, Ballarat is about to recieve it, that only leaves Bendigo, the logical way would be via Inglewood, but again, this could provide difficult.
[quote=DangersDan707]the pollies have an obsession with sg every where apart from queensland [/quote]
The truth of the matter is, 99% of politicians couldn't give a continental about rail freight, it doesn't swing votes like passenger rail can and 75% wouldn't even know the difference between BG and SG. There are bugger all votes in rail freightdespite what some users on Railpage may think, the reality is most people couldn't give a stuff.
The rare politicians who do understand the importance of rail freight understand the one thing that Dangersdan707 doesn't and that is that it is vital that all major cities must be connected by rail, and for it to be effective that rail must be the same gauge.
[quote=x31]Would have been easier to force BG into NSW which was the initial agreement. [/quote]
On What Planet???
I don't understand how anybody with the slightest bit of common sense can seriously come up with a contrary argument. Considering the Trans-Australian Railway (Sydney - Adelaide - Perth) is Standard Gauge and opened in 1917, and the 'New' Ghan track is Standard Gauge (Tarcoola - Alice Springs opened 1980, Alice Springs - Darwin opened 2004), and SG already reached into both Brisbane and Melbourne (Melbourne via the SG North East Line, opened 1962) the logical next step was always to provide a direct link from Melbourne to Adelaide that was compatible with the rest of the nations interstate rail network. This happened in 1995.
If any of you have a problem with Standard Gauge stretching its way across the country, well all I can say is, its too damn late to whinge about it now, its been happening for over 100 years, and it aint going to stop.
Yes I agree, Not converting the Heywood - Mt Gambier line was a clear error, one that I can't understand, and yes there is plenty of traffic that has been lost to road after the conversion of the Melbourne - Adelaide route, but it is also impossible to say how much would have been lost if the line had of been left on BG? Impossible to say, so again get over it, its happening, and the reality is it can't happen quick enough.
Well, there I went.