Bendigo Metro Rail Project

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 06 Jul 2020 10:34
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Did this project ever get off the ground or was it just another vic government smeg?

Bendigo Metro Rail Project

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  Spletsie Chief Commissioner


It's still listed as a major project on the Victorian Government’s Economic Development, Jobs, Transport and Resources website:

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  Carnot Minister for Railways

The main change was last year with all weekday services stopping at Kangaroo Flat and extra services to Epsom and Eaglehawk. So essentially a timetabling exercise.

Additional services would require signal upgrades (part of Regional Rail Revival). Its aims are noble but the local population is still focused on driving cars... And also the fact there are several hundred bus stops vs four railway stations.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

Did this project ever get off the ground or was it just another vic government smeg?

Bendigo Metro Rail Project
x31

The PTV links all broken (for some reason they decided to remove a lot of old content recently). Still on Department website but the news is outdated.

This is a good summary on the Bendigo Metro proposal Wong's blog https://wongm.com/2015/05/epsom-station-switch/
Project done in THREE STAGES:

Stage 1 was meant to commenced in early 2016. Wheel wear issues delayed it to start in June 2016 instead.  http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-27/bendigo-metro-launched-folllowing-delays/7545558 .
These works were mostly timetable changes, as said previously.

Stage 2 only recently got the funding from the Feds in June 2017and now as part of the REBRANDED Regional Revival Rail project. http://www.bendigoadvertiser.com.au/story/4755330/rail-funding-welcomed-but-problems-remain-ptua/

As for Stage 3 is unclear, since stage 2 hasn't officially started as of yet.

It obviously was just an election promise at the end of the day. No attention has been given shows how minor this project is, just a few timetabling changes and some upgrades on the line, nothing really major.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line

It obviously was just an election promise at the end of the day. No attention has been given shows how minor this project is, just a few timetabling changes and some upgrades on the line, nothing really major.
James974

Did you expect the construction of subway tunnels Question
  True Believers Chief Commissioner


It obviously was just an election promise at the end of the day. No attention has been given shows how minor this project is, just a few timetabling changes and some upgrades on the line, nothing really major.
Did you expect the construction of subway tunnels Question
The Vinelander
Well metro is such a broad term overused. I found out it is a seperate rail system in other countries where it only runs in mostly the central district, stops frequently, and high frequency. This makes there cities polycentric and our rail network radial.

As for Bendigo metro, I thought it was a proposal to introduce its own suburban service. It kinda is but doesn't really, its just a rearrangement of the Bendigo services to terminate further out and increase frequencies.
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
Originally it was a council proposal with their land use policy to be implemented over 10-20 years. Basically, they wanted as they developed areas of land alongside railway lines for commercial, residential and industrial use that the State Gov would work with them to help expand the local train services to be more frequent. They wanted planners to look into opening old stations such as Golden Square, and maybe opening new ones in certain places.

The State Government then ignored this report, made every train stop at Kangaroo Flat, ran more trains to Epsom and called it Bendigo Metro Rail as an election stunt. A potentially good long term plan rubbished for short term political gain and not much actual improvement.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
This project has received funding including the upgraded signalling and the new stations below

https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/extra-funding-for-bendigo-and-echuca-line-upgrades


In addition to the train ordering system, ten level crossings between Eaglehawk and Bendigo will be upgraded with improved train detection technology.

This technology will make the level crossings safer while allowing more services to run.

The $300m funding boost is in addition to other improvements being carried out on the regional rail line.

Three new stations at Goornong, Raywood, and Huntley will be constructed to allow Metro-style services between Bendigo and surrounding communities. “This extra funding will get shovels in the ground faster – delivering more trains more often for Bendigo and Echuca passengers,” said Allan.
Jacinta Allan


thoughts?
  Carnot Minister for Railways

No mention of upgrading Echuca track to Class 2. Probably going to blow it all on signalling and stations... What's the point then?
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

No mention of upgrading Echuca track to Class 2. Probably going to blow it all on signalling and stations... What's the point then?
Carnot
This project was originally quoted as Bendigo area re-signalling and Echuca line speed upgrade for $ 90m.
So now with three times as much expenditure surely there must be some speed increase after all :
- all lx are now protected
- many bridges re-decked as corrugated gal steel decks
- 94lb rail throught, with a tie renewal and surfacing cycle 115 kmh for DMU is surely achievable .
- part of package Echuca Weekdays goes from the single return to three return Weekday services.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
No mention of upgrading Echuca track to Class 2. Probably going to blow it all on signalling and stations... What's the point then?
Carnot

I thought Vline had previously been given the money to upgrade the track to class 2?
  Carnot Minister for Railways

All that has happened since 2015 on the Echuca line has been the installation of axle counters, a few survey markers, the odd mud-hole and LX crossing repair, and pit renewal at Echuca Station (platform road). Plus the usual tie renewal etc.

It's still Class 4. And last year a TSR of 50 km/h was imposed on a large proportion of Epsom to Elmore (since lifted).

Crickets chirping on 130 km/h. Rumour is that the money went to the Ballarat upgrade instead. The $300 million isn't just for Bendigo - Echuca. I believe it's mostly to cover cost overruns elsewhere on RRV.

As for Bendigo Metro - an announcement on who wins the signalling contact should happen soon.  No word on Class 2 upgrade, even though it should've been done in 2019.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Note - the original $91 million was to cover both the signalling upgrade and Echuca line upgrade.

Govt has since packaged tender for Bendigo signal works together with Gippsland line upgrade.

That's probably a big chunk of the $300 million mentioned yesterday.

It would be interesting to see if that tender includes the Class 4 to Class 2 upgrade.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Nothing for Bridgewater passenger even with the renewal of the signalling for the junction of the Marong line.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Junction works are included in the package as above in the thread.  The Raywood inclusion is an interesting one at that.

I take it the numbers have been reviewed and it makes sense to do.  What is now missing is a service to the east of Bendigo and I do wonder how long it will be before we see track being laid on the old formation to the eastern area of the Bendigo Metropolis.
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
Junction works are included in the package as above in the thread.  The Raywood inclusion is an interesting one at that.

I take it the numbers have been reviewed and it makes sense to do.  What is now missing is a service to the east of Bendigo and I do wonder how long it will be before we see track being laid on the old formation to the eastern area of the Bendigo Metropolis.
bevans
A century at the least? The old rail line to the east goes through light industrial areas, and not to any major centres of population, study or employment. The heavy rail corridors that exist are useful because they still exist. Any other corridors can be served better by running more frequent buses.
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Released again, maybe for the last time??
Junction works are included in the package as above in the thread.  The Raywood inclusion is an interesting one at that.

I take it the numbers have been reviewed and it makes sense to do.  What is now missing is a service to the east of Bendigo and I do wonder how long it will be before we see track being laid on the old formation to the eastern area of the Bendigo Metropolis.
bevans
A century at the least? The old rail line to the east goes through light industrial areas, and not to any major centres of population, study or employment. The heavy rail corridors that exist are useful because they still exist. Any other corridors can be served better by running more frequent buses.
"TOQ-1"

I kinda like the old east line idea. Could be the Airport train, a lot cheaper and be ready years before Tulla. Smile
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Anyone seen a date for completion for the Bendigo Metro works and will additional rolling stock be required to make this work?

I can see Eaglehawk being extended and also the Huntly trains being extended and needing to be turned around and starting journeys from further north.
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
Anyone seen a date for completion for the Bendigo Metro works and will additional rolling stock be required to make this work?

I can see Eaglehawk being extended and also the Huntly trains being extended and needing to be turned around and starting journeys from further north.
bevans
I don't think Bendigo Metro has ever been planned out as a project by itself, any works around Bendigo are just given a sequential number stage to make it look like it is. No additional rolling stock beyond the essentially continual orders of Velocities will be needed, as any runs will just be extensions of existing runs with their layover times at Epsom reduced.

Epsom might seem some service reduction so that Raywood gets more services. Epsom at the moment gets many more services a day than Eaglehawk. The reason for this came from a survey that V/Line did years ago where they asked if people would be more likely to use Eaglehawk or Epsom, and they didn't actually do a proper sampling of the population, so the results came back completely biased towards Epsom. With the potential move to a 40 minute timetable in a couple of years, every second train going on each branch would give a reasonable 40 minute frequency to each branch.
  hbedriver Assistant Commissioner

Surely they aren’t going to run trains to Raywood? By all means stop the Swan Hill there, but terminators? If the entire population of Raywood boarded the first departure, there would still be plenty of seats left, even a 3-car train.

The Marong proposal actually makes a lot of sense; do something quick so they can run goods through to Korong Vale, tack onto that and a big service improvement for low cost. Marong and Maiden Gully both have large and growing population so seems logical to me.

As to re-opening to the East, that does run close to Bendigo Airport. Could they get a railway before Tullamarine?
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Raywood will almost certainly be just serviced by existing Swan Hill trains.

Bendigo airport would be best serviced by a bus given it's only going to be 1 or 2 return flights per day (if that ever happens post-Covid tbh).
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Released again, maybe for the last time??
airport would be best serviced by a bus given it's only going to be 1 or 2 return flights per day (if that ever happens post-Covid tbh).
"Carnot"
it was a joke, LOL
  NSWGR8022 Chief Commissioner

Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
Sorry if already raised b ut what about services to AXEDALE from Bendigo has this been considered in the planning?

I can see the end of the line at Axedale to the immediate south of the highway.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Raywood will almost certainly be just serviced by existing Swan Hill trains.
Carnot

The current timetable from Vline has a coach taking 32 mins from Bendigo to Raywood what might this time be via train?  I personally hope Raywood would be serviced by extending the Eaglehawk services.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
Surely they aren’t going to run trains to Raywood? By all means stop the Swan Hill there, but terminators? If the entire population of Raywood boarded the first departure, there would still be plenty of seats left, even a 3-car train.
hbedriver

Even then, Raywood should only be a conditional stop, as Dingee should also be.

This morning whilst on the UP Ballarat, we crossed the DOWN morning Swan Hill at Footscray. I was able to count 6 pax in the whole train. Smile

Mike.

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