Echuca line

 
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

I've said it before, I'll say it again, 60 minutes flat should be achievable, give them three returns a day to Bendigo to start with and watch the patronage soar.

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  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Another week, another 6 km dropped to 50.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
And if going to Melbourne we still have to get off the train at Bendigo while they couple the 2 sets together!
HardWorkingMan
This right here is the height of bureaucratic stupidity.

Vlocity sets are attached and detached all day every day at Ballarat without anybody having to get off and get back on, but in Bendigo? No, you must disembark the train while we attach the other set and then board again.

Bloody hopeless.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
And if going to Melbourne we still have to get off the train at Bendigo while they couple the 2 sets together!
This right here is the height of bureaucratic stupidity.

Vlocity sets are attached and detached all day every day at Ballarat without anybody having to get off and get back on, but in Bendigo? No, you must disembark the train while we attach the other set and then board again.

Bloody hopeless.
Gman_86
A heap of years ago, now, while we were still living in HorseHam, I would drive to Ararat and catch the train, to the footy ( to see the mighty West Coast Eagles ) or what ever.
Remembering I'm a wheelchair bloke, probably half the time I traveled I'd demount from my wheeled chariot and recline in the luxury of the V'lo seating and on arrival at Ballarat, the connie would always let me and probably 1 of the kids, or who ever was with me, stay in our seat, while everybody else would have to disembark.

Depending on the driver, sometimes there would be a fair Bang Shocked when the trains were joined and even then I couldn't work out why, they would make everyone get off and then back on. No reason why they couldn't just announce we are about to re-couple the trains, stay seated and the lock the doors, so dorks couldn't cause any problems....but anyway too sensible I guess.

BigShunter.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Another week, another 6 km dropped to 50.
potatoinmymouth

Are V/Line that bad at maintaining track.  How hard can it be to have a gang looking after the Bendigo to Echuca area.  It is not as if the gang is busy 5 days per week 8 hours per day in the area?
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Are V/Line that bad at maintaining track.  How hard can it be to have a gang looking after the Bendigo to Echuca area.  It is not as if the gang is busy 5 days per week 8 hours per day in the area?
"bevans"
Simple ( and I've been this route before) - look at the V Line hierarchy; not a soul there with railways experience. Mention a gang to this mob and they'd call police looking for either Islamic State or black African youths.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Are V/Line that bad at maintaining track.  How hard can it be to have a gang looking after the Bendigo to Echuca area.  It is not as if the gang is busy 5 days per week 8 hours per day in the area?
Simple ( and I've been this route before) - look at the V Line hierarchy; not a soul there with railways experience. Mention a gang to this mob and they'd call police looking for either Islamic State or black African youths.
Valvegear

I get it but there must be a maintenance system which schedules the work.  Also, how were the defects found?  There nmust be someone looking at them?
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I get it but there must be a maintenance system which schedules the work.  Also, how were the defects found?  There nmust be someone looking at them?
"bevans"
Yeah - drivers.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
I get it but there must be a maintenance system which schedules the work.  Also, how were the defects found?  There nmust be someone looking at them?
Yeah - drivers.
Valvegear

Ok, so the drivers report track riding issues.  That information should be added to the asset manitenance database against the asset and immediately dispatched to the centre for the track gang.  Why does this not happen efficiently in an asset management company?
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

so the drivers report track riding issues.  That information should be added to the asset manitenance database against the asset and immediately dispatched to the centre for the track gang.  Why does this not happen efficiently in an asset management company?
bevans
The first two steps happen, it’s the third where the problem is.

Don’t kid yourself, V/Line are not an asset management company. They’re a passenger rail company who happens to have to look after a massive deteriorating asset of no value to their core business.
  damooops Junior Train Controller

Location: The Revenue Raising State
G'day all.
From what I understand, the V/line gangs do an incredible job with what they have. To put it simply, V/line do not have the funding to maintain all the lines to an acceptable standard.
So it's not a question of if they can do a good job maintaining these lines, it's a matter of if they will get the funding to do so before they deteriorate to such a state that necessitates their closure! Shocked
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

G'day all.
From what I understand, the V/line gangs do an incredible job with what they have. To put it simply, V/line do not have the funding to maintain all the lines to an acceptable standard.
So it's not a question of if they can do a good job maintaining these lines, it's a matter of if they will get the funding to do so before they deteriorate to such a state that necessitates their closure! Shocked
damooops
With you all the way on this. V/Line get a pittance compared to what it would take to run a quality rail system, and their political masters encourage them to spend the bulk of it propping up the Geelong and Ballarat lines, for obvious reasons.
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
so the drivers report track riding issues.  That information should be added to the asset manitenance database against the asset and immediately dispatched to the centre for the track gang.  Why does this not happen efficiently in an asset management company?
The first two steps happen, it’s the third where the problem is.

Don’t kid yourself, V/Line are not an asset management company. They’re a passenger rail company who happens to have to look after a massive deteriorating asset of no value to their core business.
potatoinmymouth
It is part of their core business - they run their trains on them to a timetable and get fined (more money out of the maintenance bucket?) if they don't meet targets.   It should be in their interest to have the tracks in a condition to meet these deadlines.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

It is part of their core business - they run their trains on them to a timetable and get fined (more money out of the maintenance bucket?) if they don't meet targets.   It should be in their interest to have the tracks in a condition to meet these deadlines.
Donald
Let’s not confuse what their core business is with what it should be. There’s no political pressure on V/Line – and hasn’t really been since they took back control of the network assets – to facilitate long-distance travel or freight transport.
  jakar Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
There’s no political pressure on V/Line – and hasn’t really been since they took back control of the network assets – to facilitate long-distance travel or freight transport.
pimm
There's no pressure because of this:

V/Line get a pittance compared to what it would take to run a quality rail system, and their political masters encourage them to spend the bulk of it propping up the Geelong and Ballarat lines, for obvious reasons.
pimm
All V/Line need to say is give us more funding and it will make the government look bad. Last time I saw Pinder he was on his way to see the minister to 'beg' for more money so they are well aware of what the situation is.

Bringing this comment back to the Echuca line, I wouldn't completely rule out the TSR's being used strategically as a lobbying tool to get some action (funding) happening.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

There’s no political pressure on V/Line – and hasn’t really been since they took back control of the network assets – to facilitate long-distance travel or freight transport.
There's no pressure because of this:

V/Line get a pittance compared to what it would take to run a quality rail system, and their political masters encourage them to spend the bulk of it propping up the Geelong and Ballarat lines, for obvious reasons.
All V/Line need to say is give us more funding and it will make the government look bad. Last time I saw Pinder he was on his way to see the minister to 'beg' for more money so they are well aware of what the situation is.

Bringing this comment back to the Echuca line, I wouldn't completely rule out the TSR's being used strategically as a lobbying tool to get some action (funding) happening.
jakar
Some action should occur very soon with the Echuca line upgrade fully funded (apparently).  But yes, V/Line certainly needs the cash to keep things moving along....

With nearly a third of the Echuca line TSRed, I can imagine it would be even more painful for commuters.  It wouldn't surprise me if they shut it down for several months later this year to do the upgrade.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Intriguing article in local rag. Perhaps someone needs to remind the local ALP member that the Echuca line upgrade hasn't yet been built:

https://www.bendigoweekly.com/2019/08/02/infrastructure-funds-sought/
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Correct me If I'm wrong but hasn't the Bendigo - Echuca line been already upgraded to take DMU railcars to at least 100 km/h, but the track and level crossing protection works never got signed off ?

It seems that regular track maintenance has not taken place since, but been deferred, with the Government hints of an upgrade more or less only been a heavy maintenance cycle (to do track work that should of been done years ago)
  Carnot Minister for Railways

LX crossings were basically all done 4 years ago.  

But they discovered the line was a long way from Class 2 or 3 (especially Bendigo to Echuca section).  Much of the $80+ million is to basically rebuild the line from Nth Bendigo to Elmore with new rail, sleepers and ballast apparently.

So far it's just a whole lot of survey pegs and 50km/h TSRs along the line....
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
So far it's just a whole lot of survey pegs and 50km/h TSRs along the line....
Carnot
That's would be painfully ridiculous to travel on that line, I traveled the line about 2 years ago when the 75 km/h limit was In force and that was painful (cars outpacing the train on crappy parallel country roads)

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