Tour Bus collides with Puffing Billy

 
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Breaking news:
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/puffing-billy-and-a-tour-bus-collide-20180306-p4z31v.html

Fortunately it doesn't appear there are any serious injuries.

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  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Now being reported on ABC Radio News

BG
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Looks like a minivan rather than a bus so could have been a private group?
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Looks like a minivan rather than a bus so could have been a private group?
x31
Doesn't matter, is still going to be the train's fault! Laughing

BG
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
The vehicle inlvolved was a Fuso Rosa Bus towing a small luggage trailer. The Rosa is similar in design to the Toyota Coaster and seats about 21 passengers. They are popular in tour bus use.

They are certainly a bus, not a minivan.

Witness accounts say the bus failed to give way to the train (as if it wasn't obvious).
  lkernan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
New election promise:  Skyrail for the Gembrook Line.
  allan Chief Commissioner

More to the point, this will be the end of arms and legs hanging out of the windows...
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Gheringhap Loop Autonomous Zone
More to the point, this will be the end of arms and legs hanging out of the windows...
allan
And yet....

Nobody on the train was injured, but police said one of the sixteen people in the mini-bus was taken to hospital.
The Age
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
More to the point, this will be the end of arms and legs hanging out of the windows...
And yet....

Nobody on the train was injured, but police said one of the sixteen people in the mini-bus was taken to hospital.
LancedDendrite
True but the reports on the ABC actually focused on the fact that the train was not crowded and so people WERE NOT hanging out of the carriages. Going so far as saying that if they had been there would have been many more injured.

Which is not helpful.

BG
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Gheringhap Loop Autonomous Zone
I wouldn't want to be the politician ultimately signing off on that decision. Hanging your arms and legs out of the carriages is as iconic for Puffing Billy as the steam locos themselves and the Menzies Creek Trestle. The 'Hun and its readers would be baying for blood about OH&S nazis and the mollycoddling of our culture. Not a good look!

On the other hand, I can think of a certain Deputy Premier who would love to be able to donate some used boom gates from the State Government's largest infrastructure project to the largest tourist attraction in his electorate - especially in an election year!
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Crash happened on School Road crossing which from memory is protected with lights. The driver is telling police his brakes failed.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
The driver is telling police his brakes failed.
"bevans"
It's possible but unlikely that a modern vehicle would be left with no brakes at all. However, an examination by the relevant police personnel will reveal the facts.
  exarmidale Train Controller

Need gates like those at Oaks Street, Thirlmere NSW.
That’ll stop the buggers!
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Sadly, as expected:
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/puffing-billy-bans-leg-dangling-as-probe-begins-into-minibus-collision-20180307-p4z39n.html

"Puffing Billy has banned passengers from a more-than-century-old tradition of sitting out of the sides of carriages, while a safety review is conducted into a crash between the tourist train and a minibus.

Police have launched an investigation into the crash which left one man injured after the Puffing Billy steam train and a tour bus collided in the Dandenong Ranges on Tuesday.

General manager Nadine Hutchins said passengers being allowed to dangle their legs out of the side of the carriages would be suspended until further notice."
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Very sad, but PBR really has no alternative.
  allan Chief Commissioner

Very sad, but PBR really has no alternative.
Valvegear
They are fortunate that the trigger caused no injuries to passengers.
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
If dangling legs out is a safety risk, then it should never have been allowed.  It should not have taken an incident like this (in which, by the way, no train passenger was injured) to trigger a ban.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Sadly, as expected:
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/puffing-billy-bans-leg-dangling-as-probe-begins-into-minibus-collision-20180307-p4z39n.html

"Puffing Billy has banned passengers from a more-than-century-old tradition of sitting out of the sides of carriages, while a safety review is conducted into a crash between the tourist train and a minibus.

Police have launched an investigation into the crash which left one man injured after the Puffing Billy steam train and a tour bus collided in the Dandenong Ranges on Tuesday.

General manager Nadine Hutchins said passengers being allowed to dangle their legs out of the side of the carriages would be suspended until further notice."
Carnot
Will this mean a reduction in the number of passengers that can be carried on each revenue service?

BG
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

Sadly, as expected:
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/puffing-billy-bans-leg-dangling-as-probe-begins-into-minibus-collision-20180307-p4z39n.html

"Puffing Billy has banned passengers from a more-than-century-old tradition of sitting out of the sides of carriages, while a safety review is conducted into a crash between the tourist train and a minibus.

Police have launched an investigation into the crash which left one man injured after the Puffing Billy steam train and a tour bus collided in the Dandenong Ranges on Tuesday.

General manager Nadine Hutchins said passengers being allowed to dangle their legs out of the side of the carriages would be suspended until further notice."
Will this mean a reduction in the number of passengers that can be carried on each revenue service?

BG
BrentonGolding
Not for any reasons of space. It would only be if parents decided not to ride the train because their kids can't sit with dangling legs.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

If dangling legs out is a safety risk, then it should never have been allowed.  It should not have taken an incident like this (in which, by the way, no train passenger was injured) to trigger a ban.
Lad_Porter
That's not the way it works, because awareness of safety issues evolves over time.

Unsafe practices which have been going on since the dawn of time don't get stopped purely because they are unsafe, but because someone has become aware that they are unsafe.

There was obviously some factor in this incident which made them think they could have had worse problems on their hands if it happened on a crowded train with lots of people hanging out the sides, and so a temporary suspension of that pending a full review is a reasonable response.

As already posted, they are lucky that this review was triggered by a low level incident. A tourist train operation won't be significantly impacted by this incident in the long run, but if they weren't so lucky it could all be over.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
I think we can all imagine what would have happened if there had been a bunch of kids sitting with their legs dangling out the side of the carriage at the precise point of impact.

Luckily this was not the case.

Imagine the bad publicity that would have resulted if that minibus hitting the train ended up with several kids suffering life long disabilities (amputations, spinal cord injuries etc), that's not to mention the individual trauma itself.

Luckily this was not the case.

Just imagine the implications from a legal point of view had children been injured in that sort of way because the PBR had a (percieved or real) relaxed view of health and safety. It's the sort of thing that could have ultimately destroyed the entire organisation.

Luckily this was not the case.

Unfortunately some old traditional practises just don't work in a modern world. The Puffing Billy Railway have a duty of care. They are responsible for providing their passengers with a safe journey. It was not their fault that bus smashed into their train, but had anybody been injured because the PBR allowed them to sit with their legs hanging outside the train, then they would have been legally responsible for any of their passengers being injured because of this practise.

It's always sad to see the end of something that many of us did as children, but at least if it does end, it hasn't been at the expense of somebodys legs.
  allan Chief Commissioner

And then there is the view of the Public Liability Insurer to take into account!
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Last night's TV news had the predictable outcry from locals, " . . . the kids have been dangling their legs out since I was a youngster. . ." and so on. . . easy for them, they are not reposnsible.

Both Gman_86 and allan have commented correctly about the risk and Pulic Liability.  I want to see PBR continue as the raging success that it is; not shut down because of injuries which lawyers would claim to have been preventable.

There's an old saying; "if it's a one in a thousand risk, and you take it a thousand times, it's just become a statistical certainty."
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
I often wondered how Puff managed to let the kids dangle legs for so long - luckily without any problem. Had to come to an end some time though, seems now is that time.
  L1150 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Pakenham Vic.
New election promise:  Skyrail for the Gembrook Line.
lkernan
Mark Knight in Heraldsun today must have read your post, Ike. I don't think I can link to it, but have a look. It's  on page 51 of todays HS. Hilarious!!

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