V/Line Incidents/Disruptions #2

 
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

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  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theage.com.au/national/victoria/how-the-v-line-outbreak-unfolded-and-what-it-means-for-the-rail-system-20210914-p58rgg.html

Hope this works from the phone, Interesting article about the current dramas at V/line
BrentonGolding
Funny how the obvious takes so long to be seen let alone acted upon.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Oh oh, the work experience kid has been left in charge at V/Line comms again

"The 17:26 Southern Cross - Bendigo service will terminate early at Bendigo and no longer run to Bendigo"

Yer what now?
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Oh oh, the work experience kid has been left in charge at V/Line comms again

"The 17:26 Southern Cross - Bendigo service will terminate early at Bendigo and no longer run to Bendigo"

Yer what now?
BrentonGolding
It is school holidays!Smile
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Back on the rails for the first time in a couple of weeks. While I fully understand the reason for the bustitutions over the past 2 weeks one thing really puzzles me

A couple of times I limped off the coach at Castlemaine arriving an hour later than normal only to be greeted with the tell tale sound of a Vlocity horn as a Down Empty Cars service strolled through the station

I know there must be (or could be) a logical explanation why V/Line chose to run only AM Up and PM Down peak services but could someone enlighten me as to why the returning sets couldn't have taken passengers wishing to travel counter-peak like me?

Crew hours? CBF? Something else? I would love to know
  route14 Chief Commissioner

Maybe last year's intake of trainee drivers are being trained (with me left behind)?
  Djebel Junior Train Controller

Oh oh, the work experience kid has been left in charge at V/Line comms again

"The 17:26 Southern Cross - Bendigo service will terminate early at Bendigo and no longer run to Bendigo"

Yer what now?
BrentonGolding
Hey, it's a change from the usual incomprehensible gibberish and crackles.  The last time I traveled with V/Line one bloke commented, "They'd be better off hiring the Swedish Chef to do the announcements.  At least you can understand 1 word in 10 when he's talking."
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Back on the rails for the first time in a couple of weeks. While I fully understand the reason for the bustitutions over the past 2 weeks one thing really puzzles me

A couple of times I limped off the coach at Castlemaine arriving an hour later than normal only to be greeted with the tell tale sound of a Vlocity horn as a Down Empty Cars service strolled through the station

I know there must be (or could be) a logical explanation why V/Line chose to run only AM Up and PM Down peak services but could someone enlighten me as to why the returning sets couldn't have taken passengers wishing to travel counter-peak like me?

Crew hours? CBF? Something else? I would love to know
BrentonGolding
Even I know what 'CBF' means especially when related to Vline. Laughing
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Trains resuming tomorrow on all lines (except where works are occurring): https://www.vline.com.au/Service-Changes/Unplanned-Disruption-Webpages/2021/Sep/Monday-27-September-Train-Services-Resume
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Not an incident or an interruption but I thought that instead of starting a new thread I would post this question here

As I have noted previously the current V/Line time table for the Bendigo line has 2 afternoon Up services running quite close together. The Up Swan Hill departs Castlemaine at 16.28 in theory and the following all stopping V/Locity service is timetabled to leave 21 minutes later at 16.49

Today the Swanners was held at CME for more than 5 minutes waiting to cross a late running Down Echuca (Bendigo) service. Once both had departed I watched the PIDS and the Up departure signal with interest to see what would happen

Normally when there is another cross at the next loop near North Harcourt the Up departure signal changes to Clear Normal Speed 5 minutes or so after the Down service departs indicating that the cross has occured and that the road is set for the Up train

Today the stick seemed to stay Red over Red for a fair while longer which made me wonder

a - How far it is to the next section on the Up after departing Castlemaine and

b - Is it possible for the following service to be cleared to CME and then held there to wait for the proceeding service to clear said section if they

Any input from the usual suspects would be welcome, not life altering I know but just a point of interest for me
  jakar Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
a - How far it is to the next section on the Up after departing Castlemaine and  
BrentonGolding
The next section in the UP direction from Castlemaine is at Elphinstone which is roughly 12 kilometers away. On the DOWN its Ravenswood loop (passing lane) just over the top of Porcupine Hill which is also roughly 12 kilometers away.

b - Is it possible for the following service to be cleared to CME and then held there to wait for the proceeding service to clear said section if they
BrentonGolding
Looks like you left a bit of the sentence off there Brenton but if i'm reading it right then yes, the train controller can signal a follow on move as soon as the first train arrives within station limits at Castlemaine. Once the first train departs Castlemaine into the next section then the following train can be brought into the platform but can't proceed into the next section until the first train has cleared it.

Normally when there is another cross at the next loop near North Harcourt the Up departure signal changes to Clear Normal Speed 5 minutes or so after the Down service departs indicating that the cross has occured and that the road is set for the Up train
BrentonGolding
The UP home departure is independent of any down trains or crosses etc at Ravenswood loop, what you're seeing is most likely just the train controller setting up the sections Ravenswood to Elphinstone (or further) in one go. They could place the UP departure to proceed as soon as the down train arrived at Castlemaine if they wanted to but that would require an extra couple of clicks of the mouse!
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
b - Is it possible for the following service to be cleared to CME and then held there to wait for the proceeding service to clear said section if they
Looks like you left a bit of the sentence off there Brenton but if i'm reading it right then yes, the train controller can signal a follow on move as soon as the first train arrives within station limits at Castlemaine. Once the first train departs Castlemaine into the next section then the following train can be brought into the platform but can't proceed into the next section until the first train has cleared it.
jakar
Thanks @jakar, dependable and informative as always. I did think after re-reading what I had written that it might not have been as clear as it could but you have nailed it

Re the above are you saying that the following train would be cleared into the section but then held outside of the down end station limits until the first service had departed?

Does this mean that they don't (looking for the right word there) run say the first service into 1 road and then the following train into 2 road? Assuming of course there was no cross of an opposing service

I have seen this done once but it was a case where the Up Swanners was declared a fail at CME and arrived into 2 road followed a little while later by the following V/Locity service which arrived into 1 road and took all pax on to their destinations. That was pre covid and to say the service was crowded would be an understatement!!!
  jakar Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Re the above are you saying that the following train would be cleared into the section but then held outside of the down end station limits until the first service had departed?

Does this mean that they don't (looking for the right word there) run say the first service into 1 road and then the following train into 2 road? Assuming of course there was no cross of an opposing service  
BrentonGolding

As soon as the single line section is cleared by the first train a following service can be sent through. Usually the first service is long gone before the following arrives but if for some reason the first service was unable to depart the train controller can definitely bring the following service into the other platform.

If the second platform was also occupied the train controller can bring the following train to the home arrival signal and either let it wait until the first service departs or room permitting bring it onto the platform behind the first service using the low speed caution.

In reality the latter would probably never happen and the following service would be held at either Elphinstone or Ravenswood loop depending on direction of travel until a platform was available so as not to cause grid lock or inhibit access for a rescue loco etc if required.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
The PM Up Swan Hill was running a few minutes late for the cross at Castlemaine this afternoon which meant I made it with seconds to spare and boy, am I glad I did!

I don't want to jinx it but this is one of the best loco hauled trips I have had. We are currently speeding towards Sunbury pretty much bang on time, the trip has been smooth, fast (has felt like full line speed all the way so far) and thoroughly enjoyable

It's funny to think that most people on this or any train trip have no idea about this kind of stuff whereas I am tuned in to every sight, sound and movement. A sensory pleasure!

***edit, party's over, copped a reduced aspect before Calder Park. Bloody Metro ruining the fun again!***
  emmastreet Chief Train Controller

Location: Goulburn Valley
The PM Up Swan Hill was running a few minutes late for the cross at Castlemaine this afternoon which meant I made it with seconds to spare and boy, am I glad I did!

I don't want to jinx it but this is one of the best loco hauled trips I have had. We are currently speeding towards Sunbury pretty much bang on time, the trip has been smooth, fast (has felt like full line speed all the way so far) and thoroughly enjoyable

It's funny to think that most people on this or any train trip have no idea about this kind of stuff whereas I am tuned in to every sight, sound and movement. A sensory pleasure!

***edit, party's over, copped a reduced aspect before Calder Park. Bloody Metro ruining the fun again!***
BrentonGolding
Can't beat a loco hauled N set especally f you are in 1st class.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Both AM Swan Hill services have been cancelled this morning. The Down was the first to get the chop due to 'an earlier emergency services request further down the line' with pax advised to get a South Geelong Service to Deer Par and then a connecting coach to Swanners.

Then 30 minutes or so later I got the message that the Up was terminating at Lake Boga so it didn't get far. I wonder if the 2 are related

Meanwhile I am on the 9.06 Down Bendigo crawling along behind a spark. V/Line really are masters of their own destiny at times, this service seemed to depart Southern Cross on time however by the time it arrived into Footscray it was 4-5 minutes late.

I got that sinking feeling as we rounded the curve after the SG flyover at reduced speed - this can mean that we are waiting for an Up Geetroit / Ballarat service to clear the at grade junction or it can mean a long crawl to Sunbury.

Of course the Metro controller would have had their hand wavering over the keyboard ready for just such an eventuality and the path was given to the spark.

*** edit, we never made up the time lost in the Metro area and our train arrived into CME around 12 minutes late I think, routed into P2 as it needed to make a cross here due to the late running. When I left the station around 5 minutes later our train was still in 2 road waiting for the cross, would have been 20 minutes late by this stage

Just goes to show what a difference a few minutes can make!!!
  jakar Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
I wonder if the 2 are related
BrentonGolding
Yep, a non-rail related incident required police to close the line for a couple of hours at Kerang.

I always do find it amusing how Metro won't delay their trains in your situation but will happily delay revenue V/Line services for test trains and driver training purposes.

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