Freight Passenger Separation Project

 
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
I am somewhat conflicted between using the existing threads and starting a new one on this, but given it is a separate named project and likely to generate some discussion, it might make sense to have a dedicated place to store it

Original announcement

https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/untangling-freight-and-passenger-rail-in-ballarat/

Current TfV page:

https://transport.vic.gov.au/Our-transport-future/Our-projects/Freight-Passenger-Rail-Separation

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  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
And today's update

https://www.thecourier.com.au/story/5704972/congestion-busting-plan-around-ballarat-station-without-set-start-date/?cs=12

"....detail mooted to be announced at the end of this year."
The Courier


And I still dont understand the Ararat and Maryborough loop....
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

And today's update

https://www.thecourier.com.au/story/5704972/congestion-busting-plan-around-ballarat-station-without-set-start-date/?cs=12

"....detail mooted to be announced at the end of this year."


And I still dont understand the Ararat and Maryborough loop....
james.au
I interpret it as this:

42 weekly return freight trains on the SG track through Ballarat (i.e  12 SG train movements per day), and 23 weekly return train via the Avoca line (i.e 6 - 7 SG train movements per day).
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

For SG trains:
  • Maryborough – Ballarat – North Geelong (also requires SG conversion Ballarat – Gheringhap) 153 km

  • Maryborough – Ararat – Maroona – North Geelong 289 km


  • When the whole project is complete Maryborough - Ararat would only be used by Portland trains in the main. How they decide who gets to use the ‘loop’ and go the extra 136 km (272 km round trip) remains to be seen.

    PS: The release is 4 months old and was probably discussed in the other threads.
      bevans Site Admin

    Location: Melbourne, Australia
    I interpret it as this:

    42 weekly return freight trains on the SG track through Ballarat (i.e  12 SG train movements per day), and 23 weekly return train via the Avoca line (i.e 3 - 4 SG train movement per day).
    Carnot

    Meaning the Avoca traffic would be for the Portland Line?

    How would wagons for western bound locations coming off the Mildura line be managed if that traffic is going via Ballarat on the UP?
      james.au Chief Commissioner

    Location: Sydney, NSW
    PS: The release is 4 months old and was probably discussed in the other threads.
    kitchgp
    Yep very well aware and I was a significant contributor to them.  But when I went to find the right place to put todays (very minor) update it was clear that a separate thread could have merits.

    Im trying to think in the future here.... Wink
      james.au Chief Commissioner

    Location: Sydney, NSW
    I interpret it as this:

    42 weekly return freight trains on the SG track through Ballarat (i.e  12 SG train movements per day), and 23 weekly return train via the Avoca line (i.e 6 - 7 SG train movements per day).
    Carnot
    12 SG train movements per day through that area I would think would be far more than plenty.  If they used 6 of those per day (assuming one up and one down is 2, so 3 return trains) I would be somewhat surprised.  Agreed with others that Maryborough-Ararat would be for Portland traffic (and other western origin/destination traffic) only.
      kitchgp Chief Commissioner

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    The upgrades will allow up [sic] 65 return freight services to run from the Murray Basin region through Ballarat with the use of the Ararat and Maryborough loop.
    .......................
    The Courier
    This statement is poorly worded, however when freight trains are described as ‘single gauge’ what do you expect. The words in bold should be deleted. The original release explains capacity from the Murray Basin properly.

    Using the ‘loop’ via Ararat, apart from the time spent travelling the extra distance, will incur more delay as trains thread their way through Melbourne – Nhill/Hopetoun/Rainbow traffic between Ararat and Gheringhap (and perhaps some Portland – Nhill/Hopetoun/Rainbow traffic between Ararat and Maroona).

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