Great Southern Rail to launch Adelaide-Brisbane service

 
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
https://indaily.com.au/news/business/2018/11/20/great-southern-rail-to-launch-adelaide-brisbane-service/

AS pointed out by @justapassenger, new things for GSR.  Lets see how this pans out.....

Great Southern Rail, the company that operates the Ghan and the Indian Pacific, will soon add a new railway journey to its offering to take tourist passengers from Adelaide to Brisbane and back.

InDaily understands the company intends to publicly launch the service – the “Great Southern” – on December 3.
It will involve a three-day northbound journey featuring guided tour stops at the Grampians in Victoria, Canberra and at beaches in New South Wales.

The return journey will include beachside dining in northern New South Wales, a tour of the Hunter Valley and a stop at the Twelve Apostles in Victoria.

InDaily also understand that Great Southern will begin operating in December next year, with eight departures between the beginning of that month and the end of January 2020.

A spokesperson for the company confirmed that: “Great Southern Rail is indeed developing a new multi-day rail holiday”, adding that it will “be launched to the public shortly”.
InDaily.com

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  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

This is pretty exciting, but it'll sadly probably go the way of the Southern Spirit and fold after a single season.

I'd like to know how they intend to operate the 12 Apostles experience. The closest SG platform is North Shore, and it's a 2-hour bus ride from there. So the train has to be plonked somewhere for a minimum of 6 hours. Not being familiar with the SG layout of that area, how is this feasible?

Maybe they'll detrain at Southern Cross and get V/Line to put extra capacity on the Warrnambool pass to get them to Camperdown... har bloody har.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
This is pretty exciting, but it'll sadly probably go the way of the Southern Spirit and fold after a single season.

I'd like to know how they intend to operate the 12 Apostles experience. The closest SG platform is North Shore, and it's a 2-hour bus ride from there. So the train has to be plonked somewhere for a minimum of 6 hours. Not being familiar with the SG layout of that area, how is this feasible?

Maybe they'll detrain at Southern Cross and get V/Line to put extra capacity on the Warrnambool pass to get them to Camperdown... har bloody har.
potatoinmymouth
They do something similar with the Blue mountains - pax detrain and get whatever V Set or other 'premium carriage service' is put on the BMT services to return to Central.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
This is pretty exciting, but it'll sadly probably go the way of the Southern Spirit and fold after a single season.

I'd like to know how they intend to operate the 12 Apostles experience. The closest SG platform is North Shore, and it's a 2-hour bus ride from there. So the train has to be plonked somewhere for a minimum of 6 hours. Not being familiar with the SG layout of that area, how is this feasible?

Maybe they'll detrain at Southern Cross and get V/Line to put extra capacity on the Warrnambool pass to get them to Camperdown... har bloody har.
potatoinmymouth
' Maybe they'll detrain at Southern Cross and get V/Line to put extra capacity on the Warrnambool pass to get them to Camperdown... har bloody har. '

Ha bloody ha - How could any 'reputable/prestigious' operator rely on Vline for anything?

Might be nice if it 'inadvertently' resulted in a Melbourne - Brisbane sector. Perhaps I am quite wrong but I cannot imagine many Adelaide - Brisbane passengers.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Wonder why they don't have a tour in Sydney?
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Might be nice if it 'inadvertently' resulted in a Melbourne - Brisbane sector. Perhaps I am quite wrong but I cannot imagine many Adelaide - Brisbane passengers.
YM-Mundrabilla

I very much doubt GSR will be selling tickets on any individual sector on the route. You’ll pay for either the whole 6 days - noting there’s different stops on the way there and the way back - or 3 of them, I reckon.
  M636C Minister for Railways

The problem with the "Southern Spirit" was that it was aimed at a market that went away after the GFC.

This new train will presumably have fares equivalent to the Ghan and Indian Pacific which are doing reasonably well (if out of my preferred price range).

Since the Indian Pacific offers journeys to and from Adelaide, it seems likely that a Melbourne Brisbane sector would be offered.
I'd think Adelaide Melbourne less likely.

Peter
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Wonder why they don't have a tour in Sydney?
railblogger
Because there's nothing worth seeing there?
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Wonder why they don't have a tour in Sydney?
Because there's nothing worth seeing there?
potatoinmymouth
Congestion Sydney is full. Ask Scomo.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Cressy would be a suitable station for access to the great ocean road.

if Victoria were serious about this then a station could be built with bus transfers.

Alternatively, is Lismore still available as a stopping place?
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Cressy would be a suitable station for access to the great ocean road.

if Victoria were serious about this then a station could be built with bus transfers.

Alternatively, is Lismore still available as a stopping place?
x31
There is nothing at Cressy. Nothing. Not "suitable".

And Victoria is not serious about this, and nor should they be unless GSR will be providing economy accomodation down the back of the train at V/Line prices, which obviously they are not. This is a private operator doing its best to make a buck, and good on them, but they're not providing a public service, they shouldn't be subsidised for doing so by the building of a station or any other harebrained ideas.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Why should GSR need to sell cheap seats to Victorians for an upmarket service which is private?

Victoria should build a good station at Cressy that can be used by this service, preservation groups and the Oveland.  My god they are still in the 1960's down here.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

We don't know for sure that coach tours to the Great Ocean Road will be included, as the InDaily article came before any actual announcement from GSR and they didn't indicate in the article which bits were news and which were speculation.

As it is only planned to run for a couple of months per year during the Ghan off-season, there's no need to spend tens of millions of dollars building a station at Cressy that will only be used a few times a year. GSR will be more than happy with doing the train-coach transfer at North Shore (just a 40 minute drive from the proper start of the Great Ocean Road at Anglesea, more if detouring to Bells Beach) or even the most conveniently located passing loop with the same steps and ramps they use for the Ghan stops.

If there are Great Ocean Road tours, GSR may opt to move the train while the tour proceeds and have the pickup at a convenient location for the 'other' end. This is what they currently do for the Barossa wine and food tours offered on the Indian-Pacific, which have the transfer at Two Wells and take place while the train goes on to Adelaide for servicing and reverses.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Why should GSR need to sell cheap seats to Victorians for an upmarket service which is private?

Victoria should build a good station at Cressy that can be used by this service, preservation groups and the Oveland.  My god they are still in the 1960's down here.
x31
So you think that Victorian taxpayers should pay to build a station for the benefit of a private company running expensive tour trains for 2 months of the year? And to top it off you then don't think GSR should have to provide a PT service to mitigate part of the cost of your White Elephant? As for the Overland stopping at Cressy - seriously? According to Wikipedia Cressy had a population of 175 in the last census.

Forget the 1960's, you're in lala land.

BG
  ab123 Chief Train Controller

Cressy, yes this bustling metropolis would benefit from a train station https://goo.gl/maps/iRcFWkojAiB2
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

Cressy in its heyday (had refreshment rooms); only an expert would find any trace now.

http://www.victorianrailways.net/signaling/completedia/cressydia1946.html


Geelong – Twelve Apostles (TA) via Lorne 190km
Geelong – TA via Colac 155km
Cressy – TA 110km

You could pop down to Hamilton, detrain and then Geelong via TA & Lorne (Hamilton – TA 170km), or vice versa. All the options are a lot of hours in a bus, which seems to defeat the purpose of the trip.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

The point of the drive along the Great Ocean Road via Lorne is that it's not just the destination but the journey.

Far from defeating the purpose of the trip, I reckon the GOR coach tour would be one of the highlights.

How to do it would depend on the schedule allotted to it. If the whole day is available to the day's tour before rejoining the train for dinner and an overnight run to Adelaide then there's heaps of flexibility, but if only the morning is available (for an evening arrival in Adelaide) then my suggestion would be to cut out the Twelve Apostles and just do a tour looping around from Geelong, along the eastern part of the GOR to Cape Otway and then back through the Otway forests and Colac.

Since the Indian Pacific offers journeys to and from Adelaide, it seems likely that a Melbourne Brisbane sector would be offered.
I'd think Adelaide Melbourne less likely.
M636C
I wouldn't count on it stopping in Melbourne or Sydney at all.

This is a brand new tourism operation being created from scratch, there's no historical baggage from previous AN operations to incorporate.
  greasyrhys Chief Commissioner

Location: MacDonald Park, SA
Can’t see it being a success tbh.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Insufficient market in Adelaide to my way of thinking.
Melbourne would be a major potential market but why would Melbournians go to Adelaide just to retrace getting there and back.
Melbourne to Bananaland, perhaps, but the logistics of being based in Melbourne would horrify me. Better to run Melbourne to Brisbane even if you have to run empty cars to/from Adelaide ('may convey passengers offering' - whatever). Adelaide to Perth/Darwin has its attractions sufficient to overcome the inconvenience of getting to Adelaide; Adelaide to Brisbane does not nor does Brisbane, beautiful as it is, does not hold the same attractions either there or enroute.
Pick up and set down in Melbourne is a must in my view.
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
Insufficient market in Adelaide to my way of thinking.
YM-Mundrabilla
Or you're trying to tap into the potential market for Ghan passengers continuing on elsewhere....
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Insufficient market in Adelaide to my way of thinking.
Or you're trying to tap into the potential market for Ghan passengers continuing on elsewhere....
speedemon08
After spending 2 plus days on a train, the last thing I'd be interested in would be boarding another.
And the other mitigating factor, $$$
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Insufficient market in Adelaide to my way of thinking.
Or you're trying to tap into the potential market for Ghan passengers continuing on elsewhere....
speedemon08
Fair chance that the 'Ghan' passengers have already come from 'elsewhere'. Possible that there may be some from Brisbane who want to go to Darwin but more likely from Sydney or Melbourne.
The whole thing will need to rely on 'sector' passengers.
I would like to go Melbourne to Brisbane, perhaps, but no way Melbourne - Adelaide - Melbourne - Brisbane - Melbourne- Adelaide - Melbourne with the first and last sections by bus/fly/Overland (whatever).
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

http://www.traveller.com.au/great-southern-train-from-adelaide-to-brisbane-australias-new-luxury-train-unveiled-h188z7
Couple of points of interest

  • Ghan/IP occupancy is running at 90%
  • Total GSR patronage up 30% in five years
  • “National Rail Freight Corporation”(!)
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
Cressy would be a suitable station for access to the great ocean road.

if Victoria were serious about this then a station could be built with bus transfers.

Alternatively, is Lismore still available as a stopping place?
x31

Probably set down at Ararat and bus for those on the tour. Train continues empty to Melbourne.

Mike.
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
Just out of interest, what would be the longest SG train that Southern Cross Station could handle?

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