PLA entering Hong Kong?

 
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Pakistan has long had an alliance with China. It gives them easy access to military equipment and they both have a history of territorial conflict with India.

Tyrannical Governments also tend to support other tyrannical regimes simply to send a message to their populace and democratic countries that any uprising against them will be crushed without mercy.

Control freaks will even fight against those who might even share the same religion. Maintaining power is always number one for them.

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  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Pakistan has long had an alliance with China. It gives them easy access to military equipment and they both have a history of territorial conflict with India.

Tyrannical Governments also tend to support other tyrannical regimes simply to send a message to their populace and democratic countries that any uprising against them will be crushed without mercy.

Control freaks will even fight against those who might even share the same religion. Maintaining power is always number one for them.
Carnot
Goes to show how little they actually care about other Muslims though doesn't it...

I think the West as we know it is doomed, we can't even acknowledge the threat posed to our freedoms by things like crazy, irrational fundamentalist religion or evil communism any more because if you do you're deemed racist (somehow).
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
DFAT updates Hong Kong Recommendation to DO NOT TRAVEL

The new national security legislation for Hong Kong could be interpreted broadly. Under the law, you could be deported or face possible transfer to mainland China for prosecution under mainland law. The full extent of the law and how it will be applied is not yet clear. You may be at increased risk of detention on vaguely defined national security grounds. You could break the law without intending to. If you’re concerned about the new law, reconsider your need to remain in Hong Kong.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Pakistan has long had an alliance with China. It gives them easy access to military equipment and they both have a history of territorial conflict with India.

Tyrannical Governments also tend to support other tyrannical regimes simply to send a message to their populace and democratic countries that any uprising against them will be crushed without mercy.

Control freaks will even fight against those who might even share the same religion. Maintaining power is always number one for them.
Goes to show how little they actually care about other Muslims though doesn't it...

I think the West as we know it is doomed, we can't even acknowledge the threat posed to our freedoms by things like crazy, irrational fundamentalist religion or evil communism any more because if you do you're deemed racist (somehow).
don_dunstan

Instead of racist, how about ignorant white imperialists - the pair of you that is.

Carnot - Despite it's struggles Pakistan is a democracy and holds relatively free and fair elections. Yeah I know they have dark(ish) skins and can be a bit shifty, but fair suck of the sav.

Islam is no more a crazy, irrational, fundamentalist religion than the creeds followed by the protestants and catholics in Northern Ireland, or the version of christianity followed by many in the US  - yeah no sorry that version is OK, they stopped burning blacks 30 years ago, so we can't blame the current generation Razz

However, how some of Islam's followers interpret their faith is definitely crazy.

But as your hero Donald (134,000 and counting) has just implied, Islam is now yesterday's enemy, today public enemy #1 is China. Of course before Islam, it was Russia, then N Korea, Cuba, Russia, then Vietnam, Russia, Iraq, Iran, Libya briefly, then N Korea again, then Islam and now China - insert Nicaragua, Panama, Grenada, Venezuela, where appropriate.

Am I seeing a pattern here Razz
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Instead of racist, how about ignorant white imperialists - the pair of you that is.

...

Islam is no more a crazy, irrational, fundamentalist religion than the creeds followed by the protestants and catholics in Northern Ireland, or the version of christianity followed by many in the US  - yeah no sorry that version is OK, they stopped burning blacks 30 years ago, so we can't blame the current generation Razz
bingley hall
You're utterly clueless is the problem. You've grown up in a country that has really olerant and wonderful freedoms so you don't appreciate just how special and unique in human history that position is. There's people out there - and indeed in our own countries - who want to perpetrate horrors upon other people like forced under-age marriage, bashing of servile women and children and all under the cloak of 'religious freedom'.

And you're perfectly okay with it because (after all) it's no worse than the Protestants versus the Catholics - isn't it.

You ignorant, foolish man.
However, how some of Islam's followers interpret their faith is definitely crazy.
bingley hall
And you're perfectly fine with it, aren't you.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Pakistan has long had an alliance with China. It gives them easy access to military equipment and they both have a history of territorial conflict with India.

Tyrannical Governments also tend to support other tyrannical regimes simply to send a message to their populace and democratic countries that any uprising against them will be crushed without mercy.

Control freaks will even fight against those who might even share the same religion. Maintaining power is always number one for them.
Goes to show how little they actually care about other Muslims though doesn't it...

I think the West as we know it is doomed, we can't even acknowledge the threat posed to our freedoms by things like crazy, irrational fundamentalist religion or evil communism any more because if you do you're deemed racist (somehow).

Instead of racist, how about ignorant white imperialists - the pair of you that is.

Carnot - Despite it's struggles Pakistan is a democracy and holds relatively free and fair elections. Yeah I know they have dark(ish) skins and can be a bit shifty, but fair suck of the sav.

Islam is no more a crazy, irrational, fundamentalist religion than the creeds followed by the protestants and catholics in Northern Ireland, or the version of christianity followed by many in the US  - yeah no sorry that version is OK, they stopped burning blacks 30 years ago, so we can't blame the current generation Razz

However, how some of Islam's followers interpret their faith is definitely crazy.

But as your hero Donald (134,000 and counting) has just implied, Islam is now yesterday's enemy, today public enemy #1 is China. Of course before Islam, it was Russia, then N Korea, Cuba, Russia, then Vietnam, Russia, Iraq, Iran, Libya briefly, then N Korea again, then Islam and now China - insert Nicaragua, Panama, Grenada, Venezuela, where appropriate.

Am I seeing a pattern here Razz
bingley hall
False equivalence strikes again.  Cultures are different, particularly in how power is established and structured.  Honor/Shame cultures will be very different to Judicial (Western) cultures.  That's a fact of life.

Pakistan is a very strong honor/shame culture.  Same in many other Asian cultures.  It was the case even before Islam arrived.

Post-Christian Western societies are now more a Pain/Pleasure culture which is why they try everything to avoid pain and also are awash in selfish decadence.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
False equivalence strikes again.  Cultures are different, particularly in how power is established and structured.  Honor/Shame cultures will be very different to Judicial (Western) cultures.  That's a fact of life.

Pakistan is a very strong honor/shame culture.  Same in many other Asian cultures.  It was the case even before Islam arrived.

Post-Christian Western societies are now more a Pain/Pleasure culture which is why they try everything to avoid pain and also are awash in selfish decadence.
Carnot
I'm probably being too hard on Bingley Hall but I get sick of people in this country assuming that the natural setting for humanity is liberal democracy and that everyone else has the same rights as we do. It isn't; most people on this planet live under some form of dictatorship - and indeed that's been the case throughout human history.

Liberal democracy has enemies and sometimes it needs to be defended; we've all got to realise that if we don't do that then it will eventually either fade away or collapse into dictatorship - history is littered with failed nations, we have to make sure we don't become one of them.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Hong Kong police raid major news organisation, arrest billionaire owner

Hong Kong police have arrested billionaire media tycoon Jimmy Lai on national security charges and raided his Apple Daily newspaper headquarters.

Reporters were told to stop broadcasting live as up to 200 police entered the Apple Daily newsroom on Monday morning. Police rifled through desks and banned journalists from attempting to entering executive offices before cordoning off key sections of the newsroom with tape.


Hong Kong police raid the Apple Daily headquarters on MondayCREDIT:TWITTER

Live broadcasts of the raid on the Apple Daily YouTube channel showed a handcuffed Lai being taken through the newsroom by Hong Kong police two hours after his arrest on charges of colluding with foreign forces.

Apple Daily reporters said no search warrant was presented before dozens of officers piled up the office's staircase on Monday morning.

Lai, 71, is the highest profile person to be charged under the new national security laws imposed by Beijing which punish dissent with sentences of up to life in prison.


Hong Kong police cordon off the Apple Daily newsroom on Monday. CREDIT:APPLE DAILY

"Jimmy Lai is being arrested for collusion with foreign powers at this time," Mark Simon, a senior executive at Lai's media company Next Digital, which publishes Apple Daily, said on Monday.

Shares in Next Digital plunged by 11 per cent on the news of Lai's arrest. Founded in 1995, Apple Daily is the second most-widely read newspaper in Hong Kong and editorialises in favour of the pro-democracy movement.

Lai was also arrested this year on illegal assembly charges, along with other leading activists, relating to protests last year.



Media tycoon Jimmy Lai at a protest march. Lai is one of the few prominent Hong Kong business people openly supporting the protesters.CREDIT:GETTY

In an interview with Reuters in May, Lai pledged to stay in Hong Kong and continue to fight for democracy even though he expected to be one of the targets of the new legislation.

Before Monday, 15 people had been arrested under the law, including four aged 16-21 late last month over posts on social media.

The new legislation has sent a chill through Hong Kong, affecting many aspects of life. Activists have disbanded their organisations, while some have fled the city altogether.

Slogans have been declared illegal, certain songs and activities such as forming human chains have been banned in schools, and books have been taken off shelves in public libraries.

Hong Kong authorities have also issued arrest warrants for six pro-democracy activists who fled the city and who police suspect violated the new security law.

https://www.theage.com.au/world/asia/hong-kong-police-raid-major-news-organisation-arrest-billionaire-owner-20200810-p55k9h.html
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Very very sad to see Hong Kong now so absorbed into the Evil Empire of the CCP.

Former Governor Chris Patten was always right about how the CCP could never ever be trusted.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Very very sad to see Hong Kong now so absorbed into the Evil Empire of the CCP.

Former Governor Chris Patten was always right about how the CCP could never ever be trusted.
Carnot

I can see business just exiting Hong Kong now sadly jobs will go with them.

I did a lot of work in Hong Kong prior to and after the handover.  Much of this was assisting large multinationals to relocate the asian headquarters.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
I'm glad that I did manage one trip to see Hong Kong, and that was on my way home from Germany 12 months ago. The demonstrations were just starting and this curtailed some of the activities I had in mind. The manager of my hotel was already worried about the future and it seems that he was right. The might of China won't be stopped by any group in Hong Kong now. Very sad.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Another shameful day in Hong Kong:

  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The US have placed such a lockdown on banks in Hong Kong even Carrie Lam cannot use a bank account I am told.  She is paid in cash.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

It gets worse.  The CCP hate the voice of the people.  Communists are a bunch of thugs with no shame.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-06/over-50-hong-kong-activists-arrested-for-breaching-security-law/13035878

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