The Future of the Toolamba-Echuca Line?

 
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Well after 6 years of solid service since it was reopened in 2013, it's now booked out-of-service due to poor sleeper condition (Under Occo with no end-date).

Does this line have a future?
Will it ever be standardized to Deniliquin?

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  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
The standard "patch-up" job that only lasted 6 years - what a brilliant effort.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
The Bendigo - Echuca line has been downgraded too !

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  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
Well after 6 years of solid service since it was reopened in 2013, it's now booked out-of-service due to poor sleeper condition (Under Occo with no end-date).

Does this line have a future?
Will it ever be standardized to Deniliquin?
Carnot
Carried a fair bit of service, including the occasional heritage train, so it no doubt fills a need - otherwise, why reopen it in 2013?  It should have been rebuilt to a better standard in the first place.  Did they use second hand sleepers?

As for standardisation, wouldn't you also need SG between Seymour and Toolamba?  Come to think of it .....
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Well after 6 years of solid service since it was reopened in 2013, it's now booked out-of-service due to poor sleeper condition (Under Occo with no end-date).

Does this line have a future?
Will it ever be standardized to Deniliquin?
Carried a fair bit of service, including the occasional heritage train, so it no doubt fills a need - otherwise, why reopen it in 2013?  It should have been rebuilt to a better standard in the first place.  Did they use second hand sleepers?

As for standardisation, wouldn't you also need SG between Seymour and Toolamba?  Come to think of it .....
Lad_Porter
You'd need to SG the Goulburn Valley network first and do a bit of Dual gauging around Echuca to Cater for the Vline Services. If you did you'd only capture the Deniliquin line into the SG network. I'm Highly Doubtful it'll be SGed in the future due to the aftermath of the Murray Basin Debacle.
  Lockspike Chief Commissioner

The standard "patch-up" job that only lasted 6 years - what a brilliant effort.
Valvegear
Relying on infrequent 'bursts' of major work is not a way to keep a line trafficable
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

At the same time, there’s no point paying a gang to keep it on the straight and level if there are no trains offering.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Traffic from the Sunrice mill is now down to 1 or 2 trains a fortnight. And it did get the occasional grainy out of Deni too.

It wouldn't surprise me if it gets occasionally used in the next 12 months when they get around to doing all the work on the Echuca-Bendigo line.

Incidentally, SRV are meant to be running a tour with the A2 to Echuca in October via Seymour. Perhaps it'll run via Bendigo instead?
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Traffic from the Sunrice mill is now down to 1 or 2 trains a fortnight. And it did get the occasional grainy out of Deni too.

It wouldn't surprise me if it gets occasionally used in the next 12 months when they get around to doing all the work on the Echuca-Bendigo line.

Incidentally, SRV are meant to be running a tour with the A2 to Echuca in October via Seymour. Perhaps it'll run via Bendigo instead?
Carnot

This is a real problem as SRV and Seymour have their own paths via Toolamba as the Bendigo line takes real creativity to run slow specials during the day along that busy corridor.

Mike.
  HardWorkingMan Chief Commissioner

Location: Echuca
When was the line booked out of service?  I was at a customer a couple of weeks ago when the train went past (their office overlooks the Toolamba line only) The rice traffic is seasonal so can be expected to pick up when the season starts.  There were also trains of wheat hoppers using the line during the season. For 9 months of the year there are daily rice trains (with 2 daily at season peak) as well as a wheat every 2nd day during their season

When council had a meeting with the PTV/TSV while investigating the A2 options one of the things mentioned then was the line to Deniliquin via Toolamba would be standardised and upgraded with the Goulburn valley lines as the route via Bendigo was running out of paths and they are wanting to remove the remaining broad gauge from the ports to simplify them.  It would mean Echuca would have a dual-gauge yard, probably simplified from it's current layout

This means it will be needed in the long term and during the peak season it actually sees more trains than the Echuca - Bendigo section of the Broad Gauge so may be reinstated before the next season (unless they want to lose the traffic to road).
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Has it been booked out?

The Denni Rice (*friday?) ran with X31 as the 3rd unit via Bendigo account an occupation on the line via Kyabram.  Could this be a permanent occupation?
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
The standard "patch-up" job that only lasted 6 years - what a brilliant effort.
Valvegear
Your probably right Valvegear, one of the few things Big Ted and his merry band did get done and good info, HardWorkingMan.

BigShunter.
  Lockspike Chief Commissioner

At the same time, there’s no point paying a gang to keep it on the straight and level if there are no trains offering.
potatoinmymouth
True, the days of local gangs looking after their few miles of track are gone. However, to enable a line to be available for the economic running of trains, work needs to be carried out on an planned ongoing cyclic basis
  Lockspike Chief Commissioner

The standard "patch-up" job that only lasted 6 years - what a brilliant effort.
Your probably right Valvegear, one of the few things Big Ted and his merry band did get done and good info, HardWorkingMan.

BigShunter.
BigShunter
Agreed; in timbered track a tie gang should replace every sleeper that will not remain serviceable for the next 5yrs. So, allowing for a 5yr cycle, plus  an extra year or two (depending on traffic frequency and weight) before the track is in danger of becoming a basket case, is about right
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Does this line have a future?
Will it ever be standardized to Deniliquin?
As for standardisation, wouldn't you also need SG between Seymour and Toolamba?  Come to think of it .....
I'm Highly Doubtful it'll be SGed in the future due to the aftermath of the Murray Basin Debacle.
Dangersdan707
Carnot, I reckon it has to be retained, the Bendigo line will only get busier and the need to cater for the high shipping contains, that won't fit under the bridges.

If you did standardise the line, could you slew a turnout off the current standard gauge line to Albury ?

Yeah standardise it Dangerous, practise makes perfect...

BigShunter.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Does this line have a future?
Will it ever be standardized to Deniliquin?
As for standardisation, wouldn't you also need SG between Seymour and Toolamba?  Come to think of it .....
I'm Highly Doubtful it'll be SGed in the future due to the aftermath of the Murray Basin Debacle.
Carnot, I reckon it has to be retained, the Bendigo line will only get busier and the need to cater for the high shipping contains, that won't fit under the bridges.

If you did standardise the line, could you slew a turnout off the current standard gauge line to Albury ?

Yeah standardise it Dangerous, practise makes perfect...

BigShunter.
BigShunter
I think that if Inland Rail is a success (not guaranteed to be honest), then they'll be a strong impetus to SG from Seymour to Deni and Toc.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
'Will it ever be standardized to Deniliquin?'
'....... be a strong impetus to SG from Seymour to Deni and Toc .....................'

You have all failed to take into account that Jacinta Allen is, in fact, DD707.
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Gheringhap Loop Autonomous Zone
I think Rail Projects Victoria need to get the branch line gauge conversion methods and logistics down pat first beforehand. Perhaps looking at using 'novel' methods like plastic sleepers and so on might be the way to go.
Of course funding might be an issue as well if the Feds have gone gun-shy on funding gauge conversion projects after the Murray Basin debacle.
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Released again, maybe for the last time??
Does this line have a future?
Will it ever be standardized to Deniliquin?
As for standardisation, wouldn't you also need SG between Seymour and Toolamba?  Come to think of it .....
I'm Highly Doubtful it'll be SGed in the future due to the aftermath of the Murray Basin Debacle.
Carnot, I reckon it has to be retained, the Bendigo line will only get busier and the need to cater for the high shipping contains, that won't fit under the bridges.

If you did standardise the line, could you slew a turnout off the current standard gauge line to Albury ?

Yeah standardise it Dangerous, practise makes perfect...

BigShunter.
I think that if Inland Rail is a success (not guaranteed to be honest), then they'll be a strong impetus to SG from Seymour to Deni and Toc.
Carnot
Deni and Toc - now we are really in fantasy land.

Toc
IF there was any business to be had on railway at Tocumal, then they can re-open the existing SG line northward to Narrandera. The fact that it has been closed for 30 years says it all.
SG convert southward, re-open SG northward : tomaYto, TomaRto. Both ridiculous expense for negligible return.

Deni
What part of it's limited existing business do you suggest that would have any relevance to going towards NSW or SA.
The rice is either headed towards the Melbourne mills, or export.
NSW SG relevance = ZERO

For both of these limited irrelevant changes, the suggested tearing up the remaining part of the BG (passenger & freight) that does work, shows the same thinking that gave us MBRP. It just has not worked even when(if) all the stuff ups are fixed.
A great looking map with no improvement into the business of moving stuff & people around.

cheers
John
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
I think Rail Projects Victoria need to get the branch line gauge conversion methods and logistics down pat first beforehand. Perhaps looking at using 'novel' methods like plastic sleepers and so on might be the way to go.
Of course funding might be an issue as well if the Feds have gone gun-shy on funding gauge conversion projects after the Murray Basin debacle.
LancedDendrite
Or, i dont know, steel sleepers which are used all over NSW....

Not sure if they are or are not but i think the Feds are probably wondering why they need to stump up more when Victoria was the one who wasted their initial contribution...
  Lockspike Chief Commissioner

Or, i dont know, steel sleepers which are used all over NSW....
james.au
And a rather nice track they make (done properly), excellent for secondary lines
  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

Once rice production cranks up, you should find that this line will get further use. Sunrice did not spend money on this line for it to be idle.
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
Once rice production cranks up, you should find that this line will get further use. Sunrice did not spend money on this line for it to be idle.
trainbrain
Thats if the mill stays open, but thats besides the point.
  HardWorkingMan Chief Commissioner

Location: Echuca
Once rice production cranks up, you should find that this line will get further use. Sunrice did not spend money on this line for it to be idle.
Thats if the mill stays open, but thats besides the point.
speedemon08
Why would the mill shut as it's sill viable and making money? 50 odd containers a day during the slacker parts of the season and around 100 per day in the peak is a lot of rice.  Obviously they do their shut-down maintenance during the slackest part of the year (like most factories do theirs in January)

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