The corona virus COVID-19

 
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
The CHO of Victoria now concerned about the consequences of his decisions.



Well assumed to have been his decisions.  If I would read the tea leaves, CHO was not behind such large lockdowns and the premier was.  We need the health advice released.
bevans

Wow! Talk about taking stuff out of context!

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  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
More people died in the key clinical trial for Pfizer's Covid vaccine than the company publicly reported
On July 28, Pfizer and its partner BioNTech posted a six-month data update from their key Covid vaccine clinical trial, the one that led regulators worldwide to okay the shot.

At a time when questions about vaccine effectiveness were rising, the report received worldwide attention. Pfizer said the vaccine’s efficacy remained relatively strong, at 84 percent after six months.

It also reported 15 of the roughly 22,000 people who received the vaccine in the trial had died, compared to 14 of the 22,000 people who received placebo (a saline shot that didn’t contain the vaccine).

These were not just Covid deaths. In fact, they were mostly not from Covid. Only three of the people in the trial died of Covid-related illnesses - one who received the vaccine, and two who who received the saline shot. The other deaths were from other illnesses and diseases, mostly cardiovascular.

Researchers call this datapoint “all-cause mortality.” Pfizer barely mentioned it, stuffing the details of the deaths in an appendix to the report.

But all-cause mortality is arguably the MOST important measure for any drug or vaccine - especially one meant to be given prophylactically to large numbers of healthy people, as vaccines are.


(SOURCE: Appendix to “Six Month Safety and Efficacy of the BNT162b2 mRNA COVID-19 Vaccine,” available at https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.28.21261159v1.supplementary-material)

Although the researchers released their update in July, the data was already more than four months old. They had stopped collecting information about deaths as of March 13, the “data cut-off.”

But even at the time, their figures were somewhat troubling.

In their initial safety report to the FDA, which contained data through November 2020, the researchers had said four placebo recipients and two vaccine recipients died, one after the first dose and one after the second. The July update reversed that trend. Between November 2020 and March 2021, 13 vaccine recipients died, compared to only 10 placebo subjects.

Further, nine vaccine recipients had died from cardiovascular events such as heart attacks or strokes, compared to six placebo recipients who died of those causes. The imbalance was small but notable, considering that regulators worldwide had found that the Pfizer and Moderna mRNA vaccines were linked to heart inflammation in young men.

(I reported accurately on this study on Twitter on July 29, and the next day Twitter suspended me for a week for doing so, the fourth of my five defamatory “strikes” for Covid “misinformation.”)

At best, the results suggested that the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine - now pushed on nearly a billion people worldwide at a cost of tens of billions of dollars and ruinous and worsening civil liberties restrictions - did nothing to reduce overall deaths.

Worse, Pfizer and BioNTech had vaccinated almost all the placebo recipients in the trial shortly after the Food and Drug Administration okayed the vaccine for emergency use on Dec. 11, 2020.

As a result, they had destroyed our best chance to compare the long-term health of a large number of vaccine recipients with a scientifically balanced group of people who had not received the drug. The July 28 report appeared to be the last clean safety data update we would ever have.

But now the FDA has given us one more.

On November 8, the agency released its “Summary Basis for Regulatory Action,” a 30-page note explaining why on August 23 it granted full approval to Pfizer’s vaccine, replacing the emergency authorization from December 2020.


SOURCE: https://www.fda.gov/media/151733/download

And buried on page 23 of the report is this stunning sentence:

From Dose 1 through the March 13, 2021 data cutoff date, there were a total of 38 deaths, 21 in the COMIRNATY [vaccine] group and 17 in the placebo group.

Pfizer said publicly in July it had found 15 deaths among vaccine recipients by mid-March. But it told the FDA there were 21 - at the same data cutoff end date, March 13.
21.
Not 15.
The placebo figure in the trial was also wrong. Pfizer had 17 deaths among placebo recipients, not 14. Nine extra deaths overall, six among vaccine recipients.

Could the discrepancy result from some odd data lag? Maybe, but the FDA briefing book also contains the number of Covid cases that Pfizer found in vaccine recipients in the trial. Those figures are EXACTLY the same as those Pfizer posted publicly in July.

Yet the death counts were different.

Pfizer somehow miscounted - or publicly misreported, or both - the number of deaths in one of the most important clinical trials in the history of medicine.

And the FDA’s figures paint a notably more worrisome picture of the vaccine than the public July numbers. Though the absolute numbers are small, overall deaths were 24 percent higher among vaccine recipients.

The update also shows that 19 vaccine recipients died between November and March, compared to 13 placebo recipients - a difference of almost 50 percent.

Were the extra deaths cardiac-related? It is impossible to know. The FDA did not report any additional details of the deaths, saying only that none “were considered related to vaccination.”

But with tens of thousands of post-vaccine deaths now reported in the United States and Europe - and overall non-Covid death rates now running well above normal in many countries - a fresh look at that vague reassurance cannot happen soon enough.

(NOTE: I initially accidentally swapped the vaccine and placebo Covid deaths - two people who received placebo died of Covid in the trial, and one who received the vaccine. This error does not affect the overall figures.)

Source: https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/more-people-died-in-the-key-clinical
bevans
That’s a lot of words instead of saying ‘the information was publicly available, the public just didn’t read it, those that did never got to the appendices’.

I read a LOT of technical reports, and thanks to the teachings of Richard Feynman, I always read the appendices first. Why? Because is often where the ‘late data’ goes, sometimes that’s more up to date info than you’ll get in the main body. In the case of Challenger, it’s the only place you’ll read the probable cause, not the best part of a ream of paper consuming report, but instead in just two pages of text in Appendix F.
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

Checking up on the vaccination rates:

  • NSW first doses remains stranded at 94.33% going up by only 0.03% a day and decreasing.
  • Vic first doses have slowed to a crawl at 92.92% going up 0.1% a day
  • Tasmania is at 92.18% but still going strong at around 0.25% a day, they will probably overtake Victoria
  • The stats for 12+ are not that far behind 16+ (about 3%) so there is no reason to think including younger people in the stats is going to drag down the final %, just a slight delay.


I think we are seeing that 95% is looking to be the ceiling outside of the ACT, which is 99+%
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
Maybe that will change once proof of a vaccine is required for all non-essential shopping and maybe more is done to overcome vaccine hesitancy.

EDIT: The United Arab Emirates, with a population of over 9 million, is at 98.1% first dose, so it is achievable. Just 66 new cases were recorded there today!
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

Maybe that will change once proof of a vaccine is required for all non-essential shopping and maybe more is done to overcome vaccine hesitancy.
Myrtone

Victoria is now introducing vaccination requirement for non-essential shopping (I am surprised it wasn't already a requirement from when non-essential retail opened). It will be interesting to see the effect this has.

I cannot see NSW introducing such a requirement. Don't they already have the same rules for vaxxed and unvaxxed now?

EDIT: As explained to RTT, Australia isn't the UAE. The UAE is a borderline totalitarian society.
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
I think we will introduce the proof of vaccine requirement for non-essential shopping once we get to 90% second dose.
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
I think we will introduce the proof of vaccine requirement for non-essential shopping once we get to 90% second dose.
Myrtone
Who is we?
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Who is we?
"Graham4405"
Smith, and Wesson, and me.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
How long before Victoria ceases publishing the daily infection figures?
The way that they are going I suspect that it won't be long.
Why are the NSW figures declining whilst Victoria is stagnant at best?
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Queensland is really doing its level best to kill off their tourism and education sectors:



They're still insisting on $150 PCR test per person to enter the Hermit kingdom from Vic and NSW.

Crazy.
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
I think we will introduce the proof of vaccine requirement for non-essential shopping once we get to 90% second dose.
Who is we?
Graham4405
These will be introduced in my state.
  billybaxter Chief Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
It seems every second news story, nation wide, is about threatening and violent behaviour from the anti-vaxxer crowd aimed at ordinary citizens going about their everyday business, following the advice given by health professionals and democratically elected governments. A sad state of affairs.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Not always good to talk about this one here but I am saying it again, there are issues with the vaccine.

USA lots of deaths over the immunisation.

Many in hospital here.



BTW I am fully vaxxed but since having it I have felt very tired.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Official TGA reports indicate 1 in 10000 confirmed cases of Myocarditis for 12-17 year old males after mRNA shots. That's concerning, given that it has potentially a 50% fatality rate after 5 years. Ie. Hundreds of teens injured or dead just within Australia.

Hopefully in the real world it's less but is it any wonder many people are nervous and hesitant.

Meanwhile in Austria unvaxxed adults will be locked up in prison after Feb 2022. That's going way too far.
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
Apparently what will happen in Austria is they actually mandate the vaccine for all from February. Since currently available COVID-19 vaccines are given by needles, this may well be going too far, but we need to encourage people to take the vaccine.
Alas, there are many people who aren't afraid of needles and have a good tolerance of pain but still will not take the vaccine.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Apparently what will happen in Austria is they actually mandate the vaccine for all from February. Since currently available COVID-19 vaccines are given by needles, this may well be going too far, but we need to encourage people to take the vaccine.
Alas, there are many people won't aren't afraid of needles and have a good tolerance of pain but still will not take the vaccine.
Myrtone
No difference in the end result, for a vaccine to be administered intravenously, orally or be any other method.
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
If the vaccine is given by a needle, it is those who aren't afraid of needles and have a good tolerance of pain we want to encourage to take the vaccine as there is not a case to vaccinate absolutely everyone.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
BTW I am fully vaxxed but since having it I have felt very tired.
bevans
The feeling tired won't be from the vax bevans, that's the pressure from
running this High Tech joint Razz

BigShunter.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

BTW I am fully vaxxed but since having it I have felt very tired.
The feeling tired won't be from the vax bevans, that's the pressure from
running this High Tech joint Razz

BigShunter.
BigShunter
And Bevans, thanks for doing so.
Regards, Mick.
  Brianr Deputy Commissioner

Location: Dunedin, New Zealand
Official TGA reports indicate 1 in 10000 confirmed cases of Myocarditis for 12-17 year old males after mRNA shots. That's concerning, given that it has potentially a 50% fatality rate after 5 years. Ie. Hundreds of teens injured or dead just within Australia.

Hopefully in the real world it's less but is it any wonder many people are nervous and hesitant.

Meanwhile in Austria unvaxxed adults will be locked up in prison after Feb 2022. That's going way too far.
"Carnot"


You obviously get your "news" from unreliable places.
I do not believe your first bit of 'information" but know that the Austrian Government has not yet decided on the penalty for not being vaccinated but it will be no more than a fine.
Scaremongering at all levels.

I would be happy if all unvaccinated were deported from my country but of course that will not happen.
I wish they could all be branded on the forehead so I could avoid them. However I live in a city where currently 88% of over 12 are fully vaccinated and 95.2% have had at least one dose so guess I should not be worried.
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

BTW I am fully vaxxed but since having it I have felt very tired.
bevans
You are wearing yourself out posting rubbish. Maybe take a break.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

If anyone has doubts about the rates of Myocarditis and other adverse reactions, here is the very latest official Australian Govt report:
https://www.tga.gov.au/periodic/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-safety-report-18-11-2021

I avoid posting from unverified and dubious sources since they can be misleading.
  doyle Chief Commissioner

This federal government is dubious
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Oh for goodness sake!  Left wingers are worse when it comes to conspiracy theories than many RWNJs...

The TGA numbers are fairly conservative if anything, since they delay reporting adverse reactions by two weeks to filter out unverified cases/hypochondriacs...
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Not always good to talk about this one here but I am saying it again, there are issues with the vaccine.

USA lots of deaths over the immunisation.

Many in hospital here.



BTW I am fully vaxxed but since having it I have felt very tired.
bevans
You and this Twit need to go back and read where I schooled Don Juan on long term average data.

Also, people of all ages die 'all the time' - their cause of death (conveniently completely undisclosed or mentioned by this Twit) is far more important than the particular point in time which could very well be entirely irrelevant.

For example, suppose I told you of an otherwise completely healthy, absolute zero preexisting anything person got their first dose of vaccine and died mere minutes afterward.

You may or may not find that concept being quite terrifying - and I am being completely serious, the above really did happen.

Concerning right? I mean the vaccine killed a completely healthy person MINUTES after exposure - except that sentence isn't correct.

What actually happened was the person walked out their clinic to walk home, they put on their noise cancelling headphones and didn't look as they crossed the street, being struck and killed by a vehicle.

Vaccine issuance and death time are irrelevant things to correlate, we ALWAYS look at CAUSATION, and when causation isn't specified you can be more assured that there isn't causation than you should be that they just happened to leave that bit of information out.

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