The road to 100

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 03 Jul 2020 09:40
  Obzerva Station Master

Location: #6 / Glen Waverley line
Even if you keep route 12 via Collins St. it would still make more sense running E class on route 12, with platform stops at St Kilda terminus, along Danks St. (drive-over hump style), along Collins St., Victoria Pde., at North Richmond Station (drive-over hump), at Lennox St. and outside Victoria Gardens.  The traffic in the St Kilda section is also quite light, giving trams more time to negotiate curves.
Hey guys,
              I thought the same about the route 12,that it should stay in Latrobe st and use E Class,but if it did go back to as before E Class would still be a good choice,but i have since found out that the 30 is to be possibly a temporary thing to get the service milege up on the newer cars and also while the major upgrades are being done on the 58 as it was the easiest and quickest to fix as the route is already accredited due to Latrobe st being a diversion route for Bourke st.

Also happening on the same day is that New Preston will be taking over 25% running of the 96 with cars running in/out via St Georges rd and Vic/Nic.I am hoping that maybe a bi-product of this in the future maybe a cascade of the C2's to Kew for the 109 as the journey times are being adjusted.The cascade of E's to the 58 is still on track to happen with the next big timetable change coming in may 2021.
tram1041

What are the major upgrades occurring on the 58?

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  tram1041 Station Master

Hey guys,
                The major upgrade is the total relay of track and overhead from Park st to Flemington rd.Also the reason that New Preston will eventually be taking over 50% of the 86 is to provide space at Southbank for the E's for the 58 which will require at least 10-12 cars.The E's are expcted to start on the 58 qith the next major timetable change in may next year.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

Surely some connecting curves or a section of access track beside the Casino will need to be built.
  tram1041 Station Master

Also what i forgot to add is that while making Vic/Nic a full grand union in my opinion would be a good idea,in the short term cars heading to St Kilda will simply turn left while the ones for East Bwk will simply go straight across the intersection and shunt at the crossover in the reservation and then turn left towards East Bwk.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

I thought the crossover had been relocated to the east side so the shunt will have to be at Albert St., or they can have Preston trams all car out / in for St Kilda and Southbank trams all car out / in for East Brunswick, just like when Southbank had the share of 6 runs on route 109 they all carred out / in for Box Hill.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

Also happening on the same day is that New Preston will be taking over 25% running of the 96 with cars running in/out via St Georges rd and Vic/Nic.......

Also the reason that New Preston will eventually be taking over 50% of the 86 is to provide space at Southbank for the E's for the 58 which will require at least 10-12 cars.
Are we talking Route 96 or Route 86?
  route14 Chief Commissioner

Looks like a typo as route 86 is not to be shared with any other depots.
  tram1041 Station Master

Hey guys,
                 Typo 96 not 86 sorry my bad.Although there was/is a plan to maybe make further changes to the 11 & 109 termini,with the possibility of the 11 going to Port Melbourne and the 109 to Victoria Harbour,which would provide extra capacity,dare i say it for the cruise ship season and overcrowding in general it would also make it easier for Southbank to be able to help out if need be and possibly share the 11.Also there is the fact that rhe Citadis are falling apart and struggling to operate the serviice as shown by yhe increasing number of A's on the 109.There was also a plan to change the routes so that the 11 will run via High st & the 86 via St Georges rd which could be a good idea and would make the 86 a more viable option for increased local patronage made really easy by the fact that both routes are E Class only.As far as i am aware the crossover on the western side of Nicholson st remains and the newer one is an extra.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

I'm sure the one on the west side was removed at some stage.  15 years ago when some heavy rain and strong wind brought down trees over Mt. Buggary route 112 carred out via High St., shunted at Albert St. and began service to West Preston.  If there is now another one on the west side it's got to be even newer than the one on the east side (not embedded in concrete).
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

Changing Route 109 back to Route 42 would make things neater, ie no 3-digit numbers.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Hey guys,
                The major upgrade is the total relay of track and overhead from Park st to Flemington rd.Also the reason that New Preston will eventually be taking over 50% of the 86 is to provide space at Southbank for the E's for the 58 which will require at least 10-12 cars.The E's are expcted to start on the 58 qith the next major timetable change in may next year.
tram1041
Is Essendon somewhat unable to take the E's?
  tram1041 Station Master

Hey guys,
                Regarding the question as to whether Essendon could have E Class,the official blurb says that there is no space,and they don't fit on some roads,but the reality is the only road that the clearance is a little tight is 12 rd.They still can go on this rd but a little tight.There would be enough room for at least 10-12 E's now with all on the outside roads.Also instead of trying to find a replacement depot they need to build a carpark over the outside roads which would enable at least another 5 storage rds giving more capacity.Another option is to cross link the 57 with a Swanston st route ( probably either 5 or 64) using mainly B Class and run via Flemington rd which would allow trams to move from Essendon thus providing more space for E's.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

Then you need to reinstate route 50 to cover the North Melbourne section, or to build the east - west connection along Victoria St.
  tram1041 Station Master

Hey guys,
                You could actually kill 2 birds with 1 stone here,you could put the extra tracks across Elizabeth st to reroute a Swanston st  route through North Melbourne (route 5 maybe) to terminate at Abbey,thus covering the need for a route 50.You could then run the remainder of the 57 as normal,but via Flemington rd instead using B Clasz.You could also then send this route via Swanston st,maybe conbining it with the 64 or 67 thus allowing trans to be moved away from Essendon to create space for E Class.There are so many possibilities to improve the efficiency of the system like these.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

A long route such as West Maribyrnong to Carnegie would still need to be shared between Essendon and Glenhuntly, or there would be imbalance in first and last tram times.
  tram1041 Station Master

Hey guys,
                Yes you are crrect as to both depots needing to provide trams,but it would only be a percentage of the route only depending on the way it was set up,such as the current 75/25 route 58 split between Malvern & Essendon and a similar route 6 split between Malvern & Bwk.
  tram1041 Station Master

Hey guys,
                E2 6090 entered service at Preston  last friday 30/10 & 6091 is ready to start it's pre service testing.The timetable for the remaining deliveries up to 6100 is : 6092  to be delivered later this month with 6100 to be delivered by late next year..There is a pic of 6091 on the TDU facebook page.
  Obzerva Station Master

Location: #6 / Glen Waverley line
May need to rename the thread to 200.

The state budget this afternoon has announced an order for an additional 100 trams.
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

May need to rename the thread to 200.

The state budget this afternoon has announced an order for an additional 100 trams.
Obzerva
And a new depot to be built somewhere in the north west...
  bramt Deputy Commissioner

Has New Preston taken all the workshop space for depot stabling?
Oh, how about East Preston? Or Thornbury? The site is still vacant more than a decade after it was levelled:
https://www.railpage.com.au/f-p633453.htm
  route14 Chief Commissioner

There was no signal phase to assist trams move across St Georges Rd. to access Thornbury Depot.  I don't know how trams did it when the depot was in service.
  Chrono Detector Assistant Commissioner

Location: Tram 57/59
So I guess these new trams will go somewhere else, like somebody mentioned a new depot will be built in the North Western suburbs, I guess this depot will replace Essendon since E class trams are supposed to commence service on route 58.
  ngarner Deputy Commissioner

Location: Seville
The phrasing in the budget papers talks about a maintenance facility, not another depot, presumably, to share the load with 'New' Preston. Whether it includes depot facilities the way 'New' Preston does now isn't stated either way.
If they are a shortened version of an E2, as was suggested when that EoI was issued in November last year, then depot space is slightly less of a problem than if they keep buying E2 length vehicles. Something half as long again as a Z3 or A2, for lighter loading routes, is probably desirable now since there will soon be 100 long trams for the heavily loaded routes.

Neil
  route14 Chief Commissioner

How will a shortened version work?  If the centre module is to be deleted, you would need a jacob bogie, which Bombardier isn't good at.  Or you might want to just keep the centre module plus two cabs, making it about the same length as a Z3 class, but the capacity will be much less due to low floor.  It mightn't do as much as a 10 metre bus.
  Jordy33 Locomotive Fireman

My guess is that it would be a new design based on the E Class.

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