North Fitzroy tram depot

 
  bencdw2 Station Staff

Last I heard about the North Fitzroy tram depot was when it was used between 2008-2012 while Southbank didn't have the room for City circle cars, but since 2013 its closure year there hasn't been any news about it, last pictures I saw were it being locked up. Are there trams still stored there. I can't see much use for it now since there would be limited room for the modern E and c2 class trams and its situated a long way from any routes using smaller trams such as A class. The only use I could think of as far as trams would be if the tram part of the depot were to expand, but I doubt this would happen. I also doubt the run in tracks would have even been reconnected since the track renewal on that part of route 96, but I could be wrong?
If the site is owned by Yarra Trams they could sell it for demolition/redevelopment and put the money towards creating/expanding existing depots. If it was owned by the bus company (I think ventura), perhaps they could use convert the area to bus storage? IMO its currently wasting valuable land (from the latest pictures I could find think people have got the idea that its abandoned and use it to park their cars)

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  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Is this the depot off is it lygon street?
  bencdw2 Station Staff

Its off Nicholson street (next door to bus depot)
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Its off Nicholson street (next door to bus depot)
bencdw2

Yes near Holden Street I believe that still has buses in there when I last checked.  That area of Melbourne would have been quite interesting with the inner circle railway via Park Street as the tram tracks had to cross the rail line at grade both there and also on St Georges Road where trains accessed the gardens.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

The site is owned by Victrack so its land value is not Yarra Trams' worry.  According to Vicsig there are trams inside AND the access tracks are disconnected so I assume it will remain just another small site to store a few heritage trams.  By the look of the road length it appears to be able to hold at least one E class tram on each of the shed roads (total of 2), but they'll be operated by Southbank drivers which means the site won't have a depot starter.  If you had a six-million limousine you wouldn't want to leave it at an unattended car-park.  City Circle trams are not supposed to convey passengers on a depot run so storing City Circle trams there won't benefit passengers along the way.  It's also further than Southbank from route 12, as you said, so there is no point storing route 12 trams there.  I've heard a Grey Lines driver-guide mentioning that anything older than 100 years will be heritage-listed even if it's just a public toilet, so I would say it will be left as it is as part of history, and I'm happy with that.
  bencdw2 Station Staff

The site is owned by Victrack so its land value is not Yarra Trams' worry.  According to Vicsig there are trams inside AND the access tracks are disconnected so I assume it will remain just another small site to store a few heritage trams.  By the look of the road length it appears to be able to hold at least one E class tram on each of the shed roads (total of 2), but they'll be operated by Southbank drivers which means the site won't have a depot starter.  If you had a six-million limousine you wouldn't want to leave it at an unattended car-park.  City Circle trams are not supposed to convey passengers on a depot run so storing City Circle trams there won't benefit passengers along the way.  It's also further than Southbank from route 12, as you said, so there is no point storing route 12 trams there.  I've heard a Grey Lines driver-guide mentioning that anything older than 100 years will be heritage-listed even if it's just a public toilet, so I would say it will be left as it is as part of history, and I'm happy with that.
route14
Wow not surprised that the access tracks were disconnected. If they ever wanted to get those trams out of there it would be a nightmare. Are the trams in there privately owned?
With the comment I made about people parking their cars there of course you wouldn't park an expensive car there, but on a photo I found that (I think Wongm took) it has 'normal' cars parked within the depot (although they could either belong to the bus drivers and/or locals when they are shopping etc).  
Agreed, great idea that things over 100 years old become 'heritage', although North Fitzroy opened in 1956 so its only 64 years old, so if victrack ever wanted to sell the land to a developer, they would likely (and sadly) get permission to tear it town.
In regards to using it as a depot even if 4 e class (or c2 class for that matter) could fit there it would seem pointless as its far too much effort for a handful of extra trams (and as you say theres no starter, so drivers would have to travel from Southbank).
  NSWGR8022 Chief Commissioner

Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
Why would anyone disconnect tracks to a tram depot with trams in the depot?  Must be a Victorian thing.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

The trams stored inside are disused City Circle trams so I assume their ownership is the same as other stored W class trams at Preston Workshop and Newport.
    The quoted value of 6 million refers to E class trams.  I don't know whether it's legal to park private cars there.
  bencdw2 Station Staff

Why would anyone disconnect tracks to a tram depot with trams in the depot?  Must be a Victorian thing.
NSWGR8022
Great question! The depot is disused and the track along Nicholson street was renewed (old track torn up and rebuilt the track), and its likely they figured it wasn't worth building a new connection to the depot. The trams in there would be decommissioned.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

I assume the removal of curves was to speed up E class trams.  When I rode them they just had to go dead slow whenever it comes to curves and points.  I'm not saying other trams should over-speed, but let's say, WZAB classes allow much greater error margin over curves and points.  In the case of travelling over points in the straight direction, the error margin allowed is well in excess of 100% (speed limit over points mentioned in drivers' training manual is 15 km/h in whichever direction).  Even C & D class allow certain error margin.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
The tracks along Nicholson St were re-laid last year at a slightly elevated level from before to provide increased separation from the rest of the road traffic along Nicholson St. These tracks now sit at curb height rather than road height.

The depot entrance tracks are still there but disconnected and now at a different level to the mainline. I suspect the next time Nicholson St is due for a resurfacing, these tracks will be abolished.

According to Vicsig there are trams inside
Route14

That doesn't mean there are still trams on site at North Fitzroy. Vicsig can be a bit out of date in some regards, I take what I read there with a grain of salt.

There may still be trams there, but I'm not too sure. Some of the trams that were previously stored there (including an Adelaide H type tram and a former W class restaurant tram among others) were moved out to Preston Workshops years ago, but that doesn't mean some weren't left behind.

I've heard a Grey Lines driver-guide mentioning that anything older than 100 years will be heritage-listed even if it's just a public toilet
Route24
Codswallop. Just because something is old, that doesn't automatically qualify it for heritage status. It requires some form of significance (even a toilet block can qualify as significant). Is North Fitzroy Tram Depot significant in some way? Not for me to say, but it won't qualify on age alone.

Why would anyone disconnect tracks to a tram depot with trams in the depot? Must be a Victorian thing.
NSWGR8022
I believe the last time a tram entered North Fitzroy was in November 2010 when a pair of defective C2 class (Bumblebee) trams were shunted into there to get them out of the way of the afternoon peak hour. No tram has entered the North Fitzroy depot since. I can only assume Yarra Trams have since declared the forward facing points were too much of a risk (risk of derailment, wrong routing incident or other similar mishap) for too little reward.

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