The 'renewable' energy thread -

 
  wobert Chief Commissioner

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  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
I'm done here.

Hooray... Exclamation
Haven't even started with you yet, oh lemony one.

You couldn't help yourself... typical representative from SA. It's like an endless loop.

I'll let you ramble on after being 'done here' and return in a few days to scan the bile.

M.
The Vinelander
You promised me months ago that you were going to stop talking to me. If only.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
interesting read

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jul/16/australias-sun-tax-solar-energy-supporters-split-over-how-to-make-electricity-grid-fairer
wobert
Thanks for posting.

Recently South Australia started dumping solar feed-in from the system when it simply wasn't needed and there was a huge outcry from the rent-seekers who thought they should always get paid no matter what - but there's got to be an actual consumer for the electricity or there's really no point in generating it. It's a fundamental problem with renewables that tens of billions in batteries won't get anywhere near addressing: Renewables aren't fit-for-purpose to power a grid. That's the bottom line.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Germany has been having enormous problems with 'windenergie' not being able to supply their grid with power at times that it was most needed - meaning they were reliant on coal-fired power from Poland or nuclear energy from France and have some of the very highest retail energy prices in the world. Now support for the Green Party has collapsed with their share of the vote plummeting - Misha Talk;

An Infratest dimap poll, published June 10, debunked one of the more persistent myths about Germany - that it is naturally a green country. Germany has a strong Green party, but there is a specific history to that, one that one should not be confused with general attitudes in society.

Here are some of the highlights. Should the state outlaw behaviour that is particularly damaging to the climate? 53% say No. Are you in favour of higher petrol prices? 75% say No. Should the government encourage a shift from fuel-driven to electrical cars? 57% say No.

The Greens are back to where they were at the beginning of the year, at around 20-22% - which we think is where the current core support lies.
  Gayspie Deputy Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, SA
Renewable energy is good for the environment. Smile
  Madjikthise Deputy Commissioner

Renewable energy is good for the environment. Smile
Gayspie
Agreed. However that is completely irrelevant to its practicality in real world usage.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Renewable energy is good for the environment. Smile
Gayspie
The manufacture of solar panels is one of the most polluting processes on the face of the earth - ruthenium, indium, tellurium, lead and lithium all need to go into them. And they're so toxic in operation that you shouldn't drink rainwater coming from a roof with them on because they'll likely contain trace heavy metals from the panels.

Does that sound good for the environment?
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Senator John Kerry, who is the US government's "Special Envoy for the Climate" said this last week:

"The fact is that even if every single American citizen biked to work, carpooled to school, used only solar panels to power their homes – if we each planted a dozen trees – if we somehow eliminated all of our domestic greenhouse gas emissions – guess what? That still wouldn’t be enough to offset the carbon pollution coming from the rest of the world. If all the industrialized nations went down to zero emissions – remember what I just said – all the industrial nations went down to zero emissions, it wouldn’t be enough – not when more than 65 percent of the world’s carbon pollution comes from the developing world"

At the moment the rate of carbon emissions is set to keep rising until around 2060 due to the developing world increasing their emissions. So anything we do in this country is cancelled out within weeks by new coal fired capacity in China, India, Africa, Japan etc.

So really what we're doing by off-shoring all the remaining industry and making the poor poorer is utterly pointless.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Don bull smeg again

"And they're so toxic in operation that you shouldn't drink rainwater coming from a roof with them on because they'll likely contain trace heavy metals from the panels."
Umm a solar panel exterior is glass and aluminium frame, it is probably the least toxic thing on your roof to collect rain water from.

Don
Your ranting has becoming tiring, I'm out of this thread and lounge permanently. Enjoy life in the south Don.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Don bull smeg again

"And they're so toxic in operation that you shouldn't drink rainwater coming from a roof with them on because they'll likely contain trace heavy metals from the panels."
Umm a solar panel exterior is glass and aluminium frame, it is probably the least toxic thing on your roof to collect rain water from.
RTT_Rules
You can't possibly know if your panels have been damaged unless you inspect every part of them frequently to ensure that they're completely free from damage or any kind of weathering that affects the seals. True, they're sealed by (generally) tempered glass but a cricket ball or hail-stones could easily break the seal and allow the heavy metals present in the panels to escape.

But as usual, you know everything don't you RTT_Rules and so there's no point in having a discussion because you already have the answer.
Don Your ranting has becoming tiring, I'm out of this thread and lounge permanently. Enjoy life in the south Don.
RTT_Rules
So we'll see you in another few hours, then?
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Elon Musk has been very busy in the last month or so trying to withdraw claims that his cars can/will drive themselves without any intervention from a human driver, possibly to try and head off litigation from irate Tesla owners who have been paying for it for five years - Zero Hedge;

The walk back of history began with a mega-huge whopper about 2 weeks ago when, at the beginning of July, Musk admitted that Full-Self Driving (FSD) - a non-existent feature customers have been paying for for a half-decade - was a "hard problem", casually dropping into conversation the idea that the company may not be anywhere close to meeting Musk's promises about FSD.

As a reminder, Musk said in 2019 he was "very confident" in predicting autonomous robotaxis "next year", which would have been 2020, which has now turned into "last year" and is six months away from being "two years ago". Earlier this year Tesla offered up another reality check when it admitted to regulators that it was still "firmly in level 2" autonomy...

...Regardless, even the latest much heralded update to Full Self Driving, which arrived about a month late and had been touted as a solution to the last beta, which was such a disaster it was pulled off the market quickly, appears to be more of the same: jerky movements, uncertain vehicle operation and constant necessary interruptions from the driver.

After Full Self Driving 9.0's release, even the company's biggest fans like Galileo Russell said he saw little difference between the last beta and this one - and he still thinks the company is "still a long way away" to truly autonomous driving "where you never have to intervene".

Musk has also had to substantially modify the timetable for the delivery of the 'cyber truck' four wheel drive, after revealing it still won't be ready for production for quite some time yet:

In another walk-back and reset of expectations last week, Elon Musk also Tweeted that there was "always some chance" that the Cybertruck - a product introduced almost two years ago in November 2019 to ridiculous fanfare - could "flop".

This stands at obvious odds with statements Musk made in September at the company's shareholder meeting, where he said  “The orders are gigantic" about the truck. Musk claimed there were ”... well over half a million orders." He continued: "It’s a lot, basically. We stopped counting.” But don't worry shareholders, Musk has your back. He Tweeted: “To be frank, there is always some chance that Cybertruck will flop, because it is so unlike anything else. I don’t care. I love it so much even if others don’t. Other trucks look like copies of the same thing, but Cybertruck looks like it was made by aliens from the future.”

Actually, it appears Musk doesn't have your back - it appears he's going to do whatever the hell he wants regardless of whether or not it's good for the company.

“In end, we kept production design almost exactly same as show car. Just some small tweaks here & there to make it slightly better. No door handles. Car recognizes you & opens door. Having all four wheels steer is amazing for nimble handling & tight turns!” Musk gushed about the truck, which is still not in production.

Some critics not only believe the truck is already a "flop", but also that its claimed specs are outright fraudulent.

"This fraud is no different from those of Theranos or Nikola," Stanphyl Capital's Mark Spiegel wrote on Twitter last week.

I always thought Elon Musk was this century's answer to PT Barnum and I think I'm being proved right with the fullness of time. And this article doesn't even touch on the many other failures that Telsa has had recently including the Electric Prime Mover (too heavy and too range restricted so they gave up) and the 'Telsa Solar Roof' (way too expensive for most people).
  wobert Chief Commissioner
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
A couple of good reads

https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/reality-is-catching-up-with-our-freeloading-populist-climate-deniers-20210718-p58apl.html


https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/jul/18/lightbulb-moment-the-battery-technology-invented-in-a-brisbane-garage-that-is-going-global

Meanwhile, as we collectively as a country, regress to the bonze age......
wobert
There's no evidence that carbon dioxide is causing the end of the world - bottom line.

I go back to things like Al Gore's film - he clearly showed Florida and San Francisco disappearing under water due to sea level rises of up to six meters - it simply didn't happen. We were told hurricanes and cyclones would be more frequent, more severe and would reach places like Sydney. Again, BOM statistics show the reverse happened, cyclones have actually decreased in the last two decades. And the snow has not disappeared from Kilimanjaro despite what he said.

He's not the only climate change adherent to be completely wrong, for the most part climate science has been unable to accurate predict anything. And you ask these people 'what is the ideal concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere" and they cant' answer because they don't know.

I keep returning to this chart because it clearly shows there's no relationship between extinctions and the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere - hell, we had ten times the concentration of CO2 during the Cretaceous era and life actually thrived. Why do we think a tiny increase is going to kill humanity this time around?

  Carnot Minister for Railways

Don, you do realize that sea level is rising on average 5mm/year.  Those Gold Coast skyscrapers and canal properties will be offshore before too long.  Nice liquid investments hey?

Anyway, he's a helpful graphic dispelling the "It's just natural warming..." trope:
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Don, you do realize that sea level is rising on average 5mm/year.  Those Gold Coast skyscrapers and canal properties will be offshore before too long.  Nice liquid investments hey?

Anyway, he's a helpful graphic dispelling the "It's just natural warming..." trope:
Carnot
180 years of recordings from Fort Denison NSW and Port Arthur TAS say less than a millimeter a year; or nothing at all depending on who you listen to. Have a look for yourself.

They've been trying to explain it away with 'continental drift' but our part of the world is not recording sea level rises. Anyway if Tim Flannery, Malcolm Turnbull and Kevin Rudd all sincerely believe in the immanent danger presented by the ocean then why do they all have absolute sea-front mansions?
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Don, you do realize that sea level is rising on average 5mm/year.  Those Gold Coast skyscrapers and canal properties will be offshore before too long.  Nice liquid investments hey?

Anyway, he's a helpful graphic dispelling the "It's just natural warming..." trope:
180 years of recordings from Fort Denison NSW and Port Arthur TAS say less than a millimeter a year; or nothing at all depending on who you listen to. Have a look for yourself.

They've been trying to explain it away with 'continental drift' but our part of the world is not recording sea level rises. Anyway if Tim Flannery, Malcolm Turnbull and Kevin Rudd all sincerely believe in the immanent danger presented by the ocean then why do they all have absolute sea-front mansions?
don_dunstan
Averaged out across the globe (and not cherry-picked from 2 sites in Australia), here is the data.  Deal with it:
https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/sea-level/
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Averaged out across the globe (and not cherry-picked from 2 sites in Australia), here is the data.  Deal with it:
https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/sea-level/
Carnot
And yet the sea levels haven't risen by the same amount on the Australian continent, its true if you care to look into it.

The official explanation I've heard is continental drift, which seems rather implausible but there you have it.

Hey, what do I care, it's not going to be my billions of dollars in sea-front real estate at risk. Like I said if Malcolm Turnbull really believed in catastrophic and sudden ocean rises then why does his Point Piper mansion sit right on top of the ocean? The answer is obvious: He doesn't.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
I'm done here.

Hooray... Exclamation
Haven't even started with you yet, oh lemony one.

You couldn't help yourself... typical representative from SA. It's like an endless loop.

I'll let you ramble on after being 'done here' and return in a few days to scan the bile.

M.
You promised me months ago that you were going to stop talking to me. If only.
don_dunstan



https://youtu.be/shtgfGV4R58
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
One of Keating's better parliamentary performances. Hewson stuck his chin out and said, "Here; hit it!", and that's exactly what happened.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Really, Mike, you think you're a razor-sharp wit like Keating? More like a wet hankie my dear.

Hewson cooked his own goose, Keating was incidental.

Hewson put in possibly one of the worst performances ever when he was asked about the chocolate cake and whether it would be more or less expensive under GST - he genuinely had no idea. It was a significant turning point in the campaign.

And the irony of Keating telling working people they'd be worse off when in reality the so-called Labor Party had done everything possible to off-shore all the good jobs.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
China and India point blank refuse to sign on to carbon emission targets - Reuters;

NAPLES, July 23 (Reuters) - Energy and environment ministers from the Group of 20 rich nations have failed to agree on the wording of key climate change commitments in their final communique, Italy's Ecological Transition Minister Roberto Cingolani said on Friday.

The G20 meeting was seen as a decisive step ahead of United Nations climate talks, known as COP 26, which take place in 100 days' time in Glasgow in November...

...Cingolani said that in the end China and India had declined to sign the two contested points.

One of these was phasing out coal power, which most countries wanted to achieve by 2025 but some said would be impossible for them.

The other concerned the wording surrounding a 1.5-2 degree Celsius limit on global temperature increases that was set by the 2015 Paris Agreement.

The two biggest nations on earth are not willing to curb their carbon emissions, that really means that anything we do in this country to ameliorate 'climate change' is absolutely pointless.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Tesla big battery at Moorabool near Geelong has caught fire. It's not meant to be commissioned until November.


Curious to know the cause.
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
Just blame climate change.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Just blame climate change.
"Donald"
Aw, I dunno. It might be them aliens.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Last I read of the Moorabool battery fire they had it under control in one area but had to leave it to burn itself out maybe sometime tomorrow; very difficult to extinguish once on fire apparently.

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