Melbourne’s next generation trams could be trackless with rubber wheels

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 02 May 2021 12:03
  northbritish Chief Train Controller

A very foolish idea. Another incompatible system.

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  bevans Site Admin
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Not to mention the huge cost of ripping up and replacing the tracks.
  Tii Locomotive Driver

So its on wheels and running on electricity. Thats a bus- a trolley bus
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
Nope, just a bus, with a fancy-schmancy automatic-steering lane-centring device like several other cars have had (either as standard or as an option) over the past 10 or so years. A trolleybus would mean that it is powered by overhead trolley wires rather than a battery.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lane_centering
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Pity that we cannot make what we already have work properly before launching into another ego trip for someone.
  Tii Locomotive Driver

Nope, just a bus, with a fancy-schmancy automatic-steering lane-centring device like several other cars have had (either as standard or as an option) over the past 10 or so years. A trolleybus would mean that it is powered by overhead trolley wires rather than a battery.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lane_centering
Heihachi_73
That's true- no overhead wires except at charging points. I saw that in Holland in 2019. A bus with a pantograph that rose and recharged at the terminus. So it's an electric bus- just a bigger one like Brisbane is buying for its metro project. Not such a bad thing except for the rubber waste and longevity of the batteries and bus I guess. I'd go for an elevated rail then- smaller gauge system.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

Trolley buses can also have automatic guiding.  Consistent power supply is more reliable in prolonged traffic jam with air conditioning running, and heavy rain & thunder.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Nope, just a bus, with a fancy-schmancy automatic-steering lane-centring device like several other cars have had (either as standard or as an option) over the past 10 or so years. A trolleybus would mean that it is powered by overhead trolley wires rather than a battery.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lane_centering
That's true- no overhead wires except at charging points. I saw that in Holland in 2019. A bus with a pantograph that rose and recharged at the terminus. So it's an electric bus- just a bigger one like Brisbane is buying for its metro project. Not such a bad thing except for the rubber waste and longevity of the batteries and bus I guess. I'd go for an elevated rail then- smaller gauge system.
Tii
There are/were in 2017 a few albeit relatively small electric battery busses in Vienna where one sees them under a short section of overhead in Schwarzenbergstrasse off the Kärntner Ring, pantograph up, charging between trips. In several weeks over the years in Vienna I rarely saw them on the road other than under the overhead charging their batteries.

Admittedly 'all busses look the same to me' and I did not study their operation but rather got the impression that downtime charging batteries was a major counter to operational availability and efficiency at the time.
  doyle Deputy Commissioner

I know slightly different

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.rnz.co.nz/article/7f3050dc-43af-4426-911a-52698987f9f8?espv=1

Wellington had a great trolley bus (oh) system.
  doyle Deputy Commissioner

Until the 1980s all Wellington trolleybuses had British-built chassis: Crossley for the first 10 in 1949–50, British United Traction for the following 119 in 1951–1964. The 20-year break in route development was paralleled in vehicle purchases, and Volvo became the preferred supplier. Sixty-eight B58 chassis with Brown Boveri electrical equipment and Hawke/Coachwork International bodies were delivered in 1981–1986, together with 20 B10M chassis with Ansaldo electrical equipment and NZMB/Hess bodies second-hand from Auckland, delivered for an aborted new trolleybus system there and never used. All these are now withdrawn, equipment from the B58s re-used in the new-generation trolleys, and many of the Ansaldos converted to diesel buses, they still operate along Wellington’s streets.
Sadly the trolley system was abandoned 2017

not bus page
  doyle Deputy Commissioner

the Volvo's B58s were drastically re built into a fleet of 60 new trolleys with Designline bodies and electrics from Brazil: three two-axle prototypes and 57 three-axle production models
  Alphatron Station Staff

Location: Wellington
Until the 1980s all Wellington trolleybuses had British-built chassis: Crossley for the first 10 in 1949–50, British United Traction for the following 119 in 1951–1964. The 20-year break in route development was paralleled in vehicle purchases, and Volvo became the preferred supplier. Sixty-eight B58 chassis with Brown Boveri electrical equipment and Hawke/Coachwork International bodies were delivered in 1981–1986, together with 20 B10M chassis with Ansaldo electrical equipment and NZMB/Hess bodies second-hand from Auckland, delivered for an aborted new trolleybus system there and never used. All these are now withdrawn, equipment from the B58s re-used in the new-generation trolleys, and many of the Ansaldos converted to diesel buses, they still operate along Wellington’s streets.
Sadly the trolley system was abandoned 2017

not bus page

A minor correction to your post. Auckland had a trolley bus system, and the Ansaldo powered B10M Hess bodied buses were ordered to replace older vehicles, but there was a political change of mind at the Auckland  Regional Authority and the whole trolley bus system was scrapped before the new buses entered service.
doyle
  doyle Deputy Commissioner

Thanks Alphatron, AFAIK the Ansaldos were meant for a new generation system around Herne Bay, Grey Lynn and Ponsonby area

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