Federal Budget Announcements 2021

 
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
I will kick it off:

The Morrison government will allocate more than $4bn to infrastructure projects in Tuesday night’s budget as part of efforts to lock in economic recovery after the pandemic and drive down unemployment.

While investments in infrastructure improve the productive capacity of the Australian economy, the program will also help lay the groundwork for an election contest either late in 2021 or early next year.

The budget will contain $2bn in funding for an intermodal terminal in Melbourne and more than $2bn to upgrade the Great Western Highway between Katoomba and Lithgow in Sydney’s Blue Mountains.

The New South Wales government said last week they were considering building Australia’s longest road tunnel linking Medlow Bath to Little Hartley – the final stage of an 130km upgrade of the highway.

https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/coalition-to-inject-more-than-4bn-into-infrastructure-projects
Railpage

How does 1 spend $2b on an intermodal terminal and does this mean there will be a separate terminal outside of the Qube terminals planned?

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  Carnot Minister for Railways

Most of the money would be for access to the terminal. In the case of WIFT at Truganina, an SG track from Albion/Sunshine alongside RRL?  Complicated, especially with Airport Rail now in the mix.

Maybe via the Outer Ring Road alignment (Beveridge to Rockbank)?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Looks like more carparks for suburban stations which may just be a re-announcement

Multi-deck car parks will now be built at Frankston, Heathmont and Ringwood stations, while two ground-level car parks will be built at Ferntree Gully station. Up to 500 spaces will be built at Berwick station in a project expanded by $49.2m.
Somebody

Hundreds of millions for road upgrades in the Cranbourne area and nothing for the rail network in the area returning passenger service to Clyde.
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Released again, maybe for the last time??
I will kick it off:

The Morrison government will allocate more than $4bn to infrastructure projects in Tuesday night’s budget as part of efforts to lock in economic recovery after the pandemic and drive down unemployment.

While investments in infrastructure improve the productive capacity of the Australian economy, the program will also help lay the groundwork for an election contest either late in 2021 or early next year.

The budget will contain $2bn in funding for an intermodal terminal in Melbourne and more than $2bn to upgrade the Great Western Highway between Katoomba and Lithgow in Sydney’s Blue Mountains.

The New South Wales government said last week they were considering building Australia’s longest road tunnel linking Medlow Bath to Little Hartley – the final stage of an 130km upgrade of the highway.

https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/coalition-to-inject-more-than-4bn-into-infrastructure-projects

How does 1 spend $2b on an intermodal terminal and does this mean there will be a separate terminal outside of the Qube terminals planned?
bevans
Simples, one does not spend $2B on the intermodal

Per usual, its contingent on Victoria chipping in another $2B. But its probably more like $10B needed.

3 threads in 2 days now on the same topic, must be an RP record.
https://www.railpage.com.au/f-p2213854.htm#2213854

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John
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Really for rail to be successful in Melbourne there has to be another yard in the east around Dandenong for the many customers out in the far east.  I know we are still waiting for the Salta Yard to be established but Port rail shuttles and Inland Rail terminals are different.  POM to Dandenong and POM to Inland rail terminal are required.  Also Dandenong terminal to inland rail terminal.

I would also state using even a BG only yard in the east with shuttles from that yard or yards to the intermodal terminal for inland rail (some articles are suggesting it will be in the west and not the north) would be highly advantageous and remove the gauge issue.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
I believe the Victorian government has already agreed to extend the rail service to Clyde in the next 30 years.

The federal government would provide the funding for the roads above after consultation with the Vic government.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Looks like more carparks for suburban stations which may just be a re-announcement

Multi-deck car parks will now be built at Frankston, Heathmont and Ringwood stations, while two ground-level car parks will be built at Ferntree Gully station. Up to 500 spaces will be built at Berwick station in a project expanded by $49.2m.

Hundreds of millions for road upgrades in the Cranbourne area and nothing for the rail network in the area returning passenger service to Clyde.
bevans
Nothing for the Baxter extension either.
  SinickleBird Assistant Commissioner

Location: Qantas Club at Mudgee International Airport
The tunnel under Medlow Bath and Blackheath is desperately needed. The traffic jams at Blackheath used to be a long weekend thing. Now it’s an everyday occurrence. Plus, it is politically unacceptable to put a motorway near people’s homes (bear in mind it’s quite a narrow ridge line), and you also must not disturb the Blue Mountains National park. Which only leaves tunnelling as the last option.

I don’t expect to ever use said tunnel. It took 35 years for Main Roads Dept (and its successors) to duplicate the Great Western Highway from Lapstone to Katoomba and, with traffic lights installed in every tinpot village (more than one set in larger villages), the net improvement in driving time Sydney to Lithgow was zero. It took 2 hours in 1982 and it still takes 2 hours, even though the first 55km are motorway.

Disappointingly, no mention of reinstating passenger trains to Mudgee or Cowra.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
How will the née terminal located somewhere in Melbourne take 5500 trucks off the roads ?
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

The tunnel under Medlow Bath and Blackheath is desperately needed. The traffic jams at Blackheath used to be a long weekend thing. Now it’s an everyday occurrence. Plus, it is politically unacceptable to put a motorway near people’s homes (bear in mind it’s quite a narrow ridge line), and you also must not disturb the Blue Mountains National park. Which only leaves tunnelling as the last option.

I don’t expect to ever use said tunnel. It took 35 years for Main Roads Dept (and its successors) to duplicate the Great Western Highway from Lapstone to Katoomba and, with traffic lights installed in every tinpot village (more than one set in larger villages), the net improvement in driving time Sydney to Lithgow was zero. It took 2 hours in 1982 and it still takes 2 hours, even though the first 55km are motorway.

Disappointingly, no mention of reinstating passenger trains to Mudgee or Cowra.
SinickleBird
$8B so that some holiday makers enjoy a slightly faster trip whilst at other times you could fire a canon up the highway without hitting anyone. Total waste of money and probably will not happen. $8B would go a long way to upgrading the rail line over the mountains.
  Transtopic Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
The tunnel under Medlow Bath and Blackheath is desperately needed. The traffic jams at Blackheath used to be a long weekend thing. Now it’s an everyday occurrence. Plus, it is politically unacceptable to put a motorway near people’s homes (bear in mind it’s quite a narrow ridge line), and you also must not disturb the Blue Mountains National park. Which only leaves tunnelling as the last option.

I don’t expect to ever use said tunnel. It took 35 years for Main Roads Dept (and its successors) to duplicate the Great Western Highway from Lapstone to Katoomba and, with traffic lights installed in every tinpot village (more than one set in larger villages), the net improvement in driving time Sydney to Lithgow was zero. It took 2 hours in 1982 and it still takes 2 hours, even though the first 55km are motorway.

Disappointingly, no mention of reinstating passenger trains to Mudgee or Cowra.
SinickleBird
As a regular traveller over the Blue Mountains to the Central West for the past 50 years, I can tell you that the upgrade of the GWH to dual carriageways between Lapstone and Katoomba has been a blessing, improving the driving experience and reducing journey times significantly.  Outside peak hours, it used to take me up to 1h 45m from Epping to Katoomba and now takes up to 1h 15m via the M7 and M4.  On a good day, I've done it in 1h, without going over the speed limit.  If that's not an improvement, then I don't know what is?  How you can suggest that journey times haven't improved beggars belief.  Katoomba to Lithgow is a different matter entirely, as that has so far only received modest upgrades.

It's not practicable to build a motorway standard highway through the Blue Mountains via Katoomba, as it would also have to service the multiple townships along the route and negotiate the narrow ridge line, as the existing highway and rail line have done.  The compromise to upgrade the existing highway to dual carriageway standard with realignments and bypasses, improving access to the various towns and villages, is all that could be realistically expected. That same strategy should be continued for the upgrade between Katoomba and Lithgow, rather than building an expensive motorway standard tunnel, bypassing Medlow Bath, Blackheath and Mt Victoria.  A mostly surface upgrade of the whole corridor could be achieved at a fraction of the cost of a long tunnel, for which there doesn't appear to be any funding, and in a much shorter time frame. Short tunnels under the Blackheath and Mt Victoria townships in conjunction with widening and realignments of the existing highway is all that is needed.  A proposal for a short tunnel under Mt Victoria with a long viaduct down Victoria Pass to Little Hartley is already in the pipeline.  I can't see any justification in replacing it with a long tunnel, as the existing highway will still need upgrading to improve safety and journey times between townships.

The only practicable solution for upgrading the road link across the Blue Mountains to motorway standard is the proposed route from the M2/M7 Motorway to Lithgow via the Bells Line of Road corridor, which obviously won't be cheap.  In the meantime, completing the proposed upgrade of the GWH, without an expensive long tunnel, will suffice until the funding is available for the Bells Line of Road Motorway.

The only way passenger services will be restored to Mudgee and Cowra is if the respective lines are re-opened and upgraded for freight, if ever.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Was there an announcement of some kind about double-stacking in and out of Melbourne somewhere? Maybe we'll have to wait for the actual budget tomorrow.

This has certainly been the most leaked budget in memory.
  emmastreet Train Controller

Location: Goulburn Valley
How will the née terminal located somewhere in Melbourne take 5500 trucks off the roads ?
freightgate
It won't.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
Was there an announcement of some kind about double-stacking in and out of Melbourne somewhere? Maybe we'll have to wait for the actual budget tomorrow.

This has certainly been the most leaked budget in memory.
don_dunstan
And as a number of the media have said, just reannouncements of previous spending announcements. And we'll probably see stuff all of it.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
How will the née terminal located somewhere in Melbourne take 5500 trucks off the roads ?
It won't.
emmastreet

And this is raised today in the mainstream press.  It is just another scam or poorly developed plan.

https://t.co/UL7DZCkLbE?amp=1
  Carnot Minister for Railways

I think it will take trucks off the road if it's done right in the first place.  But I just can't understand all the secrecy with Business Plans these days.  It was finished months ago but has not seen the light of day.

Now the State Govt is wanting the Feds to pay for much of SRL.  Why do they keep demanding cash for shiny new urban projects like SRL but keep delaying the contribution to freight rail?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Look at South Australia billions and not a cent for rail projects.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Look at South Australia billions and not a cent for rail projects.
bevans
They have the most anti-rail Government in Australia.  They are a sad joke.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
https://thenewdaily.com.au/finance/news-federal-budget/2021/05/11/federal-budget-double-counting-pascoe/


What a bunch of.....
  Carnot Minister for Railways

https://thenewdaily.com.au/finance/news-federal-budget/2021/05/11/federal-budget-double-counting-pascoe/


What a bunch of.....
wobert
State Governments do the same thing as well.  Make the same budget announcements that keep popping up year after year in the spin-cycle.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
I think it will take trucks off the road if it's done right in the first place.  But I just can't understand all the secrecy with Business Plans these days.  It was finished months ago but has not seen the light of day.

Now the State Govt is wanting the Feds to pay for much of SRL.  Why do they keep demanding cash for shiny new urban projects like SRL but keep delaying the contribution to freight rail?
Carnot
VIC government is actually broke, that's why they're look to Josh and Sco Mo for more money. I doubt that there will be any cash forthcoming through.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

I think it will take trucks off the road if it's done right in the first place.  But I just can't understand all the secrecy with Business Plans these days.  It was finished months ago but has not seen the light of day.

Now the State Govt is wanting the Feds to pay for much of SRL.  Why do they keep demanding cash for shiny new urban projects like SRL but keep delaying the contribution to freight rail?
VIC government is actually broke, that's why they're look to Josh and Sco Mo for more money. I doubt that there will be any cash forthcoming through.
don_dunstan
Considering they had access to Belt And Road for the last few years and couldn't be bothered using it, it is reasonable to conclude that there's no projects worth funding in Victoria at the moment.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
I think it will take trucks off the road if it's done right in the first place.  But I just can't understand all the secrecy with Business Plans these days.  It was finished months ago but has not seen the light of day.

Now the State Govt is wanting the Feds to pay for much of SRL.  Why do they keep demanding cash for shiny new urban projects like SRL but keep delaying the contribution to freight rail?
VIC government is actually broke, that's why they're look to Josh and Sco Mo for more money. I doubt that there will be any cash forthcoming through.
Considering they had access to Belt And Road for the last few years and couldn't be bothered using it, it is reasonable to conclude that there's no projects worth funding in Victoria at the moment.
justapassenger
They haven't said where all the COVID19 money came from... yet. I think the public gets to know for sure later this year. Not sure if SRL is worthy of money or not - the price tag is HUGE.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Any other budget items in relation to rail nationally - or nothing that hasn't already been announced?
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
The ACT will receive $132m for stage 2a of their light rail extension.

WA receives $237m for the metro net works at Hamilton street and wharf street.

VIC receives nothing for rail in this budget unless Victorian government can find $2b to match the feds $2b for the intermodal terminal.

The way I see the budget of $15b announcements for infrastructure rail gets $369m and the rest is being spent on roads.  

Terrible outcome for the climate change groups and for the economy in the longer term.

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