Taliban taking back Afghanistan

 
Topic moved from The Lounge by dthead on 17 Feb 2022 17:00
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Taliban enters Kabul, vows not to attack, as US evacuation begins

The insurgents ordered its fighters to refrain from violence and allow safe passage to anyone seeking to leave, said a Taliban leader in Doha.

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  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
According to news reports many provinces have been taken without a shot being fired

So 20 years of money, resources and lives spent by the US and allies including Australia for what?
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
I feel sorry for the female population of the country when you consider what a backward culture the Taliban who don’t even want to see women educated.
  YM-Mundrabilla The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
According to news reports many provinces have been taken without a shot being fired

So 20 years of money, resources and lives spent by the US and allies including Australia for what?
BrentonGolding
If the Russians could not sort the place out all those years ago what hope did we and the Yanks have?
All for nothing.
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
But...But...They've got bigger bombs and fighter jets and smart missiles and...and...and.... 3,800 US Contractors dead, 2,400 US Servicemen & women dead as well as 41 casualties of our own with another 261 diggers wounded.

I guess the US Defence contractors did alright out of it though!
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Apparently:
  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
As I understand it, the whole idea for going in there was to prevent Afghanistan from being used as a terrorist base?? so I guess the Tailban will now set up some terrorist groups of their own now....
  billybaxter Chief Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
I doubt they'll set up an official Taliban Terrorist © group but they may not be too rigorous checking what certain NGOs do on their territory, how resources given to those groups are used or what middle and high ranking Taliban officials get up to in their spare time. Fortunately, they are great enemies of ISIS so they make spend a lot of time dealing with them first.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
I guess the US Defence contractors did alright out of it though!
KRviator
They always do, a pretty good Incentive to keep a conflict ticking over (top points If you can supply both sides)
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
According to news reports many provinces have been taken without a shot being fired

So 20 years of money, resources and lives spent by the US and allies including Australia for what?
If the Russians could not sort the place out all those years ago what hope did we and the Yanks have?
All for nothing.
YM-Mundrabilla
And the might of the British Empire before them....... Lessons of History not learned.
  ANR Chief Commissioner

The CCP is showing interest in Talibanistan. Maybe they'll do some kind of collab relating to the Belt and Road 'initiative'.

Maybe the war ravaged nation will build a heavy vehicle 8 lane major highway into Xinjiang (able to carry CCP armoured personnel carriers and battle tanks).
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
The Taliban and China are not interested in each other, and if they were the word Uyghur better not come up at the discussion table - it could end quite badly for both sides.

The regular Afghan military played the US quite well, for a group that shouldn’t have had a whole lot of weaponry and effectively weren’t in the country they sure managed to capture a lot of US trained, armed and supplied troops with remarkably little damage to people or hardware.

I take it people have noticed the pictures of the humvees surrendered, no, sorry, ‘captured’ by the Taliban, perfectly lined up like they’re in a parking lot without a single scratch on them…

Yeah, the alleged Afghani government had no intention of governing, they just wanted the US to find the military arm of the Taliban - and they did it perfectly.
  Lockspike Chief Commissioner

According to news reports many provinces have been taken without a shot being fired

So 20 years of money, resources and lives spent by the US and allies including Australia for what?
BrentonGolding
So the US and its allies held off the Taliban for 20yrs.

Why didn't the Afghani Govt use that time to build the capability to manage the Taliban themselves?
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
They didn’t want to.

Getting the US, et al in to ‘kick out the Taliban’ was just a very carefully orchestrated technology transfer between the US and the Taliban.

The US came, issued technology to the interim Afghani government and when the US announced their departure the Afghanis just transferred the technology to the Taliban.

Without hardly single shots being fired…
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
They didn’t want to.

Getting the US, et al in to ‘kick out the Taliban’ was just a very carefully orchestrated technology transfer between the US and the Taliban.

The US came, issued technology to the interim Afghani government and when the US announced their departure the Afghanis just transferred the technology to the Taliban.

Without hardly single shots being fired…
Aaron
A friend and I were at a bar in Dubai a few years back and met an arms dealer over the bar (yes, in Dubai this is not uncommon who you bump into). He was American selling arms to you guessed it, the Taliban. His comment, "the good thing about the Taliban is that they pay cash on time".
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
According to news reports many provinces have been taken without a shot being fired

So 20 years of money, resources and lives spent by the US and allies including Australia for what?
BrentonGolding
Creating the Taliban Razz
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
According to news reports many provinces have been taken without a shot being fired

So 20 years of money, resources and lives spent by the US and allies including Australia for what?
If the Russians could not sort the place out all those years ago what hope did we and the Yanks have?
All for nothing.
And the might of the British Empire before them....... Lessons of History not learned.
BrentonGolding
And the Persians and Russian empire before them too! Lessons of history not learned. The Soviets at least figured out they were not wanted a lot quicker and that the afghani's did not want their political system and the the government they set up at least lasted for few years after they withdrew. Its so remarkable the yanks learned absolutely nothing from them.


Afghanistan will be a better place at peace, even with the hyper reactionary Taliban in power. After eternity it will at least be at peace. It was an inevitability that this would happen following the tearing up of trumps deal by Biden, I just didn't expect it to happen this quickly. Another prime example of the USA getting their asses handed to them by a group they armed and trained. History truly repeats itself.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
I wonder where the US will poke its nose into next.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
According to news reports many provinces have been taken without a shot being fired

So 20 years of money, resources and lives spent by the US and allies including Australia for what?
BrentonGolding

Tend to agree but the Taliban was not the reason the USA invaded it was AL QUEDA.   They got Bin Laden in the end although he fled Afghanistan early in the conflict.
  apw5910 Chief Commissioner

Location: Location: Location.
Any railways in Afghanistan?
  bevans Site Admin
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Apparently Biden is sending in 6000 troops just to secure the airport.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Any railways in Afghanistan?
apw5910
Not once the Taliban are back in, if it's not weaponry they're not interested in much beyond the bronze age.
  Madjikthise Deputy Commissioner

The CCP is showing interest in Talibanistan. Maybe they'll do some kind of collab relating to the Belt and Road 'initiative'.

Maybe the war ravaged nation will build a heavy vehicle 8 lane major highway into Xinjiang (able to carry CCP armoured personnel carriers and battle tanks).
ANR
The CCP might be in a better position to deal with the problem. The US throws buckets of money at technology, which is quite intimidating when all that hardware is coming over the horizon at you. But you have to know where your enemy is to make the best use of it. The CCP on the other hand can, unsavoury as it may sound, keep throwing troops at the problem. This might yield better results when the enemy is popping up in random locations and random numbers like a country wide game of whack-a-mole.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Any railways in Afghanistan?

Yes and traffic has been returning.

http://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/first-rail-network-opens-between-iran-and-afghanistan

and

https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/railway-opening-forges-bonds-of-friendship-between-afghanistan-and-turkmenistan

to start your reading.
bevans
incorrect. Afghanistan never has had a rail network, bar some narrow gauge industrial and urban railways. Everything before the Yanks showed up ended at the border, Pakistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Iran. All Lines built into it were done following the Us Invasion as have been extensions of the relevant network into the country. I.e, Standard gauge from Iran and broad gauge from the former USSR. The first proper railway into the country opened in 2011.

This site is the best on understand it

http://www.andrewgrantham.co.uk/afghanistan/

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