The demise of the ALP in the next federal election

 
Topic moved from The Lounge by dthead on 17 Feb 2022 16:58
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
There's substantial anger among members of the Labor Party in Western Sydney that former NSW Premier Kristina Keneally is being parachuted into a very safe seat, pushing aside a promising local candidate in the process.

Senator Keneally plans to move from the upper house into the Labor stronghold of Fowler at the next election, even though she lives a long way from the electorate.

The seat, which takes in Liverpool, Cabramatta and Fairfield, is one of the most diverse in the nation and the Opposition holds it by a 14 per cent margin.

The incumbent MP, Chris Hayes, is retiring at the next election. He had publicly pushed for Tu Le, a local lawyer with Vietnamese heritage, to replace him, so that federal Labor would better reflect the diversity of the areas it represented.

"It's pretty disappointing and disheartening not just for myself but for the local community to be taken for granted in this way," Ms Le said.



Outgoing Labor MP Chris Hayes had backed local lawyer Tu Le to replace him.(Supplied
)"It's very unfortunate that the voices of the local members aren't heard."

Ms Le, who represents exploited migrant workers and is a youth leader at the Vietnamese Buddhist Youth Association, said she had dedicated her life to serving her community.

She added that while she had "great respect" for Senator Keneally, the move was a "missed opportunity" by Labor to broaden the cultural diversity within its ranks and "walk the talk".

"I don't think that not living in the electorate will preclude you from being a great representative for the area, I just think that we need more diverse voices in Parliament."

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  doyle Chief Commissioner

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  doyle Chief Commissioner

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  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
not sure a handful of seats in NSW is going to have much of an impact on Labour federally. Yes they may loose support, but as we know the federal election is just that, federal. Liberals in vic will do well to hold, never mind gain, any seats. May even see the Nats pick up ground over the libs after what happened to Victorian nats with barnaby's return.

Next federal election will be closer than people think. weather the lib/nats do enough to keep power i am not so sure they will be able to. Not at this point in the game
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
For the ALP to be a chance, it must pick up seats in Queensland.
  doyle Chief Commissioner

Anything north of Brisbane........ Is another country anyway...... But yes you are right QLD is what the ALP needs
  YM-Mundrabilla The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
A pox on all of them! Evil or Very Mad
  billybaxter Chief Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
This is awful. Tu Le would be a wonderful candidate, representing everything the ALP should, and claims it does. Ms. Keneally is a fine politician, but not for here! Balmain or Stanmore are more her style. It's hard not to be cynical, although they clearly want a place for her somewhere.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
I  think 'demise' is somewhat premature. ScoMo's last weekend jaunt has revealed his true colours.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/pm-s-culture-of-creeping-secrecy-how-a-flight-to-sydney-confirmed-his-aversion-to-disclosure-20210909-p58qa4.html

Mike.
  doyle Chief Commissioner
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
In my view, WA I think will be the wildcard in this election.  Given how the Federal government is acting towards them, and how much the Liberal party has fallen apart over there (and has no money), their campaigns are going to be, interesting, to say the least.  A couple of seats going to the ALP over there will certainly make the NSW and Qld contests less relevant.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
I  think 'demise' is somewhat premature. ScoMo's last weekend jaunt has revealed his true colours.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/pm-s-culture-of-creeping-secrecy-how-a-flight-to-sydney-confirmed-his-aversion-to-disclosure-20210909-p58qa4.html

Mike.
The Vinelander

Mike I agree with you in that the PM going to Sydney for fathers day when others could not travel is an abuse of position and sent a terrible message to the public.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

In my view, WA I think will be the wildcard in this election.  Given how the Federal government is acting towards them, and how much the Liberal party has fallen apart over there (and has no money), their campaigns are going to be, interesting, to say the least.  A couple of seats going to the ALP over there will certainly make the NSW and Qld contests less relevant.
james.au
Very true.

The campaign for WA seats in a Federal election is usually led by the state leaders of the major parties with minimal direct involvement from national level leaders based in the eastern states.

No problem for the ALP there, but that’s bad news for the Liberals as they are now a minor party in WA with a faceless leader. So who’s left to front the campaign for the Liberals in WA - perhaps one of their higher profile federal Libs?
Cash or Reynolds - both are universally reviled, no.
Porter - sex pest, no.
Wyatt - too quiet, no.
Hastie - would probably use the chance to launch his own micro party, no.

So the WA Libs will be faced with the choice of either Scummo campaigning heavily (which in the Qld election was a boost to the ALP in every seat he visited) or giving up on a coordinated campaign and just trying to save their own seats.
  apw5910 Chief Commissioner

Location: Location: Location.
The ALP have often shown they are quite capable of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. eg the last Federal election...
  BaysideManny Chief Train Controller

There's substantial anger among members of the Labor Party in Western Sydney that former NSW Premier Kristina Keneally is being parachuted into a very safe seat, pushing aside a promising local candidate in the process.

Senator Keneally plans to move from the upper house into the Labor stronghold of Fowler at the next election, even though she lives a long way from the electorate.

The seat, which takes in Liverpool, Cabramatta and Fairfield, is one of the most diverse in the nation and the Opposition holds it by a 14 per cent margin.

The incumbent MP, Chris Hayes, is retiring at the next election. He had publicly pushed for Tu Le, a local lawyer with Vietnamese heritage, to replace him, so that federal Labor would better reflect the diversity of the areas it represented.

"It's pretty disappointing and disheartening not just for myself but for the local community to be taken for granted in this way," Ms Le said.



Outgoing Labor MP Chris Hayes had backed local lawyer Tu Le to replace him.(Supplied
)"It's very unfortunate that the voices of the local members aren't heard."

Ms Le, who represents exploited migrant workers and is a youth leader at the Vietnamese Buddhist Youth Association, said she had dedicated her life to serving her community.

She added that while she had "great respect" for Senator Keneally, the move was a "missed opportunity" by Labor to broaden the cultural diversity within its ranks and "walk the talk".

"I don't think that not living in the electorate will preclude you from being a great representative for the area, I just think that we need more diverse voices in Parliament."
bevans
If they put Kristina Keneally instead of Tu Le, then that is nothing short of a disgrace.

The ALP would have learnt nothing.


Michael
  menangletrains Station Master

Let the local residents, show her they do not approve, and vote for the local LADY. who has lived in the area all of her life.

She was a FAILURE when she was N.S..W Premier, and has been a Failure ever since.

DO NOT VOTE FOR LABOR, EVEN IN THE FEDERAL ELECTION, GIVE SCOMO ANOTHER GO.

Just imagine the mess we would be in now, if LABOR was in charge of AUSTRALIA, and trying to organise the Vaccines now...

Dave.  Menangle.N.S.W.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Let the local residents, show her they do not approve, and vote for the local LADY. who has lived in the area all of her life.

She was a FAILURE when she was N.S..W Premier, and has been a Failure ever since.

DO NOT VOTE FOR LABOR, EVEN IN THE FEDERAL ELECTION, GIVE SCOMO ANOTHER GO.

Just imagine the mess we would be in now, if LABOR was in charge of AUSTRALIA, and trying to organise the Vaccines now...

Dave.  Menangle.N.S.W.
menangletrains
Yes, the local lady should be given preselection.
KK, in my view has been an effective senator.
This rest is utter crap.
Mick.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Just imagine the mess we would be in now, if LABOR was in charge of AUSTRALIA, and trying to organise the Vaccines now...
menangletrains
Quite right. They'd be in a terrible mess trying to pick up the shambles that ScoMo and Hunt  created. Why is Hunt still Minister for Health, after his well publicised refusal to go and meet with the heads of Pfizer? Other countries did and booked their supplies. ScoMo - created complete confusion over the whole issue ("It's a race" "Oops, no; it's not a race") and is still all talk. If he's not careful he'll be making Abbott or Shorten look efficient.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
If they put Kristina Keneally instead of Tu Le, then that is nothing short of a disgrace.

The ALP would have learnt nothing.
"BaysideManny"
Keneally and her backers all appear to be suffering from a severe case of Relevance Deprivation Syndrome.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Just imagine the mess we would be in now, if LABOR was in charge of AUSTRALIA, and trying to organise the Vaccines now...
Quite right. They'd be in a terrible mess trying to pick up the shambles that ScoMo and Hunt  created. Why is Hunt still Minister for Health, after his well publicised refusal to go and meet with the heads of Pfizer? Other countries did and booked their supplies. ScoMo - created complete confusion over Astra Zeneca and is still all talk. If he's not careful he'll be making Abbott or Shorten look efficient.
Valvegear
Shorten was untried, so an unknown. Abbott looks proficient, in comparison.
Morrison continues to fail upwards. I take solace from a quote by the great John McEnroe, when you’re at the top, there’s only one direction to go.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

If they put Kristina Keneally instead of Tu Le, then that is nothing short of a disgrace.

The ALP would have learnt nothing.
Keneally and her backers all appear to be suffering from a severe case of Relevance Deprivation Syndrome.
Valvegear
Run again for a senate seat or retire, KK.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Parachuting high profile people into safe seats they have no affilation in is wrong regardless of which side of the fence you swing for. If it was ever done in any electroate I vote in I would as a mater of principle not even consider giving this person anything but last place and its about time more of us stood up against both parties to stop this.

As for SCOMO trip to Sydney, broke no rules, didn't use Parilmentry privalige as there is no restriction to do so (any one can do) and applied to go back to Canberra for a brief meeting approved and supported and approved by the ALP leaning ACT Chief Minister and ACT CHO as per their guidelines as has happened for months and used by every MP including the oppsition. Want to know why you cannot enter Qld or WA, suggest you ask the relevent state Premiers. Personally I could care less that any Fed MP or senior staffer travelled for that weekend provided they followed all the rules and did not invoke privaledge.  

This is so much of a non story it was almost impossible to find any commentry by the Opposition Leader (who did something similar) on the subject and the story was almost non-existant in the ABC apart from a political editorlial. In fact the only person trying to score points on this was "I lost us the election" Billy.

The actions by the 3 redneck states over the last 6-9 months has been to constantly try and undermine the Fed govt at every oppurtunity as the CV election victory phenomina was spreading around the world. Had Fed ALP been in power they would have been forced to tow the line in and out of the National Cabinent.

Going into the last election ALP were vocal about closing down the coal industry offering no alternative and had conflict between local and national ALP leaders on the subject. LNP were united and said it continues, now they are rolling out alternative power sector industries as an alternative to coal in those areas. So likely they will retain support. WA iron ore, Li and other miners will also not be keen to support a party that puts their jobs under threat.

Will SCOMO win next year, I'd say it will be close and it will depend on what both the WA and Qld Premiers do in the mean time. If they hold their borders close for too long after others open on achieving 70-80%, I'd say there is a chance Fed LNP will win.

Question to the ALP leaning voters from Vic. Should the LNP win again, will you again blame the 11 m people who didn't vote for the ALP for getting it wrong rather than blame the ALP for another dud campaign?
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Parachuting high profile people into safe seats they have no affilation in is wrong regardless of which side of the fence you swing for. If it was ever done in any electroate I vote in I would as a mater of principle not even consider giving this person anything but last place and its about time more of us stood up against both parties to stop this.

As for SCOMO trip to Sydney, broke no rules, didn't use Parilmentry privalige as there is no restriction to do so (any one can do) and applied to go back to Canberra for a brief meeting approved and supported and approved by the ALP leaning ACT Chief Minister and ACT CHO as per their guidelines as has happened for months and used by every MP including the oppsition. Want to know why you cannot enter Qld or WA, suggest you ask the relevent state Premiers. Personally I could care less that any Fed MP or senior staffer travelled for that weekend provided they followed all the rules and did not invoke privaledge.  

This is so much of a non story it was almost impossible to find any commentry by the Opposition Leader (who did something similar) on the subject and the story was almost non-existant in the ABC apart from a political editorlial. In fact the only person trying to score points on this was "I lost us the election" Billy.

The actions by the 3 redneck states over the last 6-9 months has been to constantly try and undermine the Fed govt at every oppurtunity as the CV election victory phenomina was spreading around the world. Had Fed ALP been in power they would have been forced to tow the line in and out of the National Cabinent.

Going into the last election ALP were vocal about closing down the coal industry offering no alternative and had conflict between local and national ALP leaders on the subject. LNP were united and said it continues, now they are rolling out alternative power sector industries as an alternative to coal in those areas. So likely they will retain support. WA iron ore, Li and other miners will also not be keen to support a party that puts their jobs under threat.

Will SCOMO win next year, I'd say it will be close and it will depend on what both the WA and Qld Premiers do in the mean time. If they hold their borders close for too long after others open on achieving 70-80%, I'd say there is a chance Fed LNP will win.

Question to the ALP leaning voters from Vic. Should the LNP win again, will you again blame the 11 m people who didn't vote for the ALP for getting it wrong rather than blame the ALP for another dud campaign?
RTT_Rules
We elect the government we deserve.
Not with standing the disengaged and those with memory of a goldfish.
Morrison makes headlines all too frequently, for the wrong reasons. Yet his poor form is normalised and buried under three word slogans.
Hero’s of hindsight, has been peddled out of late.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
The codswallop talked about Morrison's trip to Sydney is astounding.
"It was within the rules" . . . the rules, of course, are made by "Me; me; me" for the benefit of "Me; me; me".

"providing it didn't include Parliamentary privilege" . . . how could it possibly do so? The writer obviously does not understand Parliamentary Privilege, which exists only inside the Parliament. It allows members to say what they like with no fear of legal action. Once outside, they're fair game.

What was included were Parliamentary Perks including a couple of flights on a RAAF Dassault, paid for by us, and open return across the ACT border. Meanwhile we have kids separated from parents everywhere on Fathers' Day because they're not allowed to travel. Do ScoMo, and the dills advising him, think that's a good look? It screams, "Because I can, and tough tit if you can't".
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Parachuting high profile people into safe seats they have no affilation in is wrong regardless of which side of the fence you swing for. If it was ever done in any electroate I vote in I would as a mater of principle not even consider giving this person anything but last place and its about time more of us stood up against both parties to stop this.

As for SCOMO trip to Sydney, broke no rules, didn't use Parilmentry privalige as there is no restriction to do so (any one can do) and applied to go back to Canberra for a brief meeting approved and supported and approved by the ALP leaning ACT Chief Minister and ACT CHO as per their guidelines as has happened for months and used by every MP including the oppsition. Want to know why you cannot enter Qld or WA, suggest you ask the relevent state Premiers. Personally I could care less that any Fed MP or senior staffer travelled for that weekend provided they followed all the rules and did not invoke privaledge.  

This is so much of a non story it was almost impossible to find any commentry by the Opposition Leader (who did something similar) on the subject and the story was almost non-existant in the ABC apart from a political editorlial. In fact the only person trying to score points on this was "I lost us the election" Billy.

The actions by the 3 redneck states over the last 6-9 months has been to constantly try and undermine the Fed govt at every oppurtunity as the CV election victory phenomina was spreading around the world. Had Fed ALP been in power they would have been forced to tow the line in and out of the National Cabinent.

Going into the last election ALP were vocal about closing down the coal industry offering no alternative and had conflict between local and national ALP leaders on the subject. LNP were united and said it continues, now they are rolling out alternative power sector industries as an alternative to coal in those areas. So likely they will retain support. WA iron ore, Li and other miners will also not be keen to support a party that puts their jobs under threat.

Will SCOMO win next year, I'd say it will be close and it will depend on what both the WA and Qld Premiers do in the mean time. If they hold their borders close for too long after others open on achieving 70-80%, I'd say there is a chance Fed LNP will win.

Question to the ALP leaning voters from Vic. Should the LNP win again, will you again blame the 11 m people who didn't vote for the ALP for getting it wrong rather than blame the ALP for another dud campaign?
RTT_Rules
The only test that matters in this matter, as the government is so apt to apply each time they need to make a judgement, is the pub test.

And i recon most pub tests on this dalliance come up as a 'nah mate, its a bit dodgey*'

*insert appropriate regional vernacular as required.

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